Lucifer! Castiel! Hoyay slashy fanfic writer who feels Sam! Chuck the Prophet! The Impala! Dramatic Bobby!
Sam and Dean are BACK! Whee!
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Lucifer! Castiel! Hoyay slashy fanfic writer who feels Sam! Chuck the Prophet! The Impala! Dramatic Bobby!
Sam and Dean are BACK! Whee!
a) All those scenes with Lucifer and his 'vessel' were pretty effectively creepy.
b) Bobby is the king badass of all badasses.
OK, so I might be talking to myself here, but I just had to mention that I could watch Dean mouthing off to angels all day. And angry Castiel is really cool.
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He doesn't want to be an angel condom!
My theory is that Lucifer is actually the one that put them on that plane.
Ooh, interesting. Because he has a plan or because he's not all bad?Originally posted by Xan
It's just we're only told about Lucifer from the angels and demons. We have effectively one side of the story. They both seem to think he's some sort of evil badass. But I don't remember seeing any scenes of the demons interacting at all. For all we know Lucifer doesn't want anything to do with the demons. Sure he wants to kill God but God could be a total evil asshole.
Then there is the fact that the angels are absolute pricks (Castiel and Anna excluded) While Good =/= Nice some of the angels seem to be just as bad as any of the demons.
Also, God seems to be AWOL. The Archangels don't know where he is. Lucifer probably didn't have anything to do with his disappearance because he was sealed in Hell at the time.
That was my thought as well. From what we saw of him with his 'vessel' he didn't seem as gleefully eeevvvvvilll as the demon's we've come across. He seems to think he's got a legitimate grievance against God - and he could well be right.
That's my thought as well. He could have lied to Nick and told him something completely different. He specifically chose someone who would be willing to listen to his actual agenda.
Maybe angels need to get informed consent.
Just consent as far as I know. Castiel didn't really seem to give too much of his agenda away to his host.
Yes. And Lucifer used persuasion to get it. As opposed to Zechariah, who used cancer and lung-removal.
True, but that guy was praying for the honor of being an angel condom. ::snicker::
Don't forget the leg breaking and the threatening to make sure Bobby never walks again.
Bobby doesn't NEED to walk again. He can hover around on a cloud of his pure awesome.
Alternatively, he can have a custom-made wheelchair with lots of hidden compartments for shotguns and holy water.
Orual, now you're talkin'.
You know, that character isn't nearly as well-developed as Sam and Dean, but still when he told Sam to take a hike I thought, "That doesn't sound like Bobby!" Sadly, I thought it was just bad writing.
It could be like a homemade demon killin' mecha!
I thought it was a little off, but then I was distracted by the way Sam seemed to have been just WAITING for someone to say all that stuff to him. And then he was going to look at 'lore books' in a church- which probably meant finding a convenient gutter to crawl into.
Oh, man. Bobby can get one of those exosuits from Aliens!
And he didn't take any books with him! Sam, Sam, Sam.
I don't really understand why Sam is being so hard on himself. If I remember correctly he didn't have much of way of knowing that Lilith was the seal. Sure he screwed up quite a bit but he was being manipulated the entire time.
Because the Winchesters are full of guilt and shame?
True. They'd feel guilty about anything if you could even weakly justify it to them.
Also, Dean doesn't love trust him any more.
And he jump-started Armageddon.
Which one of these things do you think makes the giant puppyface feel worse?
Giant puppyface!
True. But the angels are equally liable but being total sociopaths they don't care.
Well yes, but this is Sam, who spent the entire first season flagellating himself for not realizing that his dream about his girlfriend burning on the ceiling was prophetic.
At this point he's probably a being of pure guilt and angst. Which I find terribly entertaining, because I am a sick, sick puppy.
He doesn't do devastated and striking out as well as Dean, though. Gloomy and emo is more Sammy.
So what did everyone think of the episode on 10/1?
I liked it a lot. Oldies music plus zombie-shooting is always lovely combination. Castiel-in-the-present made me laugh and laugh, while Castiel-in-the-future just creeped me out.
(I have further thoughts, but I am on my way out the door. Back later.)
I loved Castiel just standing there, by the side of the road. Future Castiel depressed me, though.
I assume Bobby is supposed to be dead?
Zachariah showed up on "Glee" and I shouted "It's Zachariah!" The cats didn't care.
I can see why Dean might eventually give in to Michael. I can't see why Sam would give in to Lucifer.
The thing is this might not have even been a trip to the future. This could have been a trick by Zach.
True, but I assume viewers are supposed to think that Sam giving in could happen.
Which means Zach's plan didn't work as he expected. I don't think we can really be sure what Zach's motives truly are.
I never thought that the 'future' was anything but what Zachariah thought would make Dean give in. Sam-as-Lucifer seemed like a scare tactic to me (especially taken with the way future-Dean talked. "Oh, if you don't take the angels up on their 'generous offer' now, you'll sure be sorry!") I don't know if the viewers were supposed to think otherwise, but I certainly didn't.
I thought the previous meeting between Sam and Lucifer was supposed to leave us with the feeling that Sam was vulnerable, and then the "future" was to reinforce that--without Dean, Sam was low-hanging fruit.
Well, his wheelchair was full of bullet-holes and covered in blood, so I assume he died.
I guess that's possible. Although like you, I didn't think it made much sense - there is absolutely no upside to saying 'yes' to Satan.
Last edited by Orual; 05 Oct 2009 at 12:06 PM. Reason: I cannot construct sentences or spell.
Ah. I didn't see the blood and bullet holes, just the wheelchair.
Anybody watch this week?
Sam decapitated Paris Hilton! I knew there was a reason I liked that guy.
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