They talked about things of the here and now, but little if anything about each other's past
They talked about things of the here and now, but little if anything about each other's past
Great. Now choie's talking to herself. WES, g_u, we need to get second recurring characters.
Oy, please don't joke, Nia basically almost got sent into oblivion because of that! She only exists because we were down to only four PCs (during WES's absence) and things were moving so slowly, plus I post 150% more than anyone and am always online already, so I figured maybe I could add a 2nd PC so I could participate more & we could mix things up a bit; EH graciously agreed.Originally posted by anyrose
Great. Now choie's talking to herself. WES, g_u, we need to get second recurring characters.
But recently I was told that Nia should, um, absent herself. If Collins hadn't called the Yellow Alert and the rest of the crew weren't asked to go to their next watch stations, Nia wouldn't be on the Bridge or participating at all. (Notice how quiet Kylah is while Nia is around.)
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Well A.J. won't be doing anything unless someone goes and talks directly to him.Great. Now choie's talking to herself. WES, g_u, we need to get second recurring characters.
I only added that bit in because it's good to show how the entire ship responds to the Yellow Alert. Nice touch EH.
In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.
She wasn't before, actually! The newly created Kendin is a full Lieutenant and was dissed by Singh.So now that's two ranking officers Singh's chosen to skip in favor of Collins. Proper little teacher's pet!
Hey general, has Graham ever made it to the Bridge?
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Missed the edit window--also, Helm and Nav are in front of the Big Chair, so if Nia is still on the Bridge and has taken over for Kendin, she'd be in front of Collins. She'd have to be staring daggers at the viewscreen and hoping they'd rebound and hit Collins that way.
Here's a condensed version of that Bridge map:
Collins had the conn before the Yellow Alert; the Captain simply returned it to her.
The Yorktown's Bridge is a little different than shown in that chart (for which, our thanks, choie). #10 is Life Sciences, IIRC, T'Var's usual Bridge post. There's also a door between #10 and 9, opening out to the subsystems access corridor that rings the Bridge, with access there to a head (small bathroom), and a gangway (steep staircase) down to Deck 2. The Captain's quarters and office are close by on Deck 2, so she can get to the Bridge in a hurry when she needs to.
Here's Franz Joseph's take on it, c. 1975:
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars...m/01-06-10.jpg
http://www.rocketfin.com/images/enterprise_bridge.jpg
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Thanks for the greater detail of the outer structures leading from the Bridge. I'm glad you described it because my old eyes can barely make out any of that text!
One thing (well, more than one) wasn't mentioned in the exposition just now:
a) since Collins was tracking the Chorell's usage of its transporters, and I'm assuming Kylah was also in touch with the Sarapis Freight Yard, do we know if the Chorell picked up its cargo? and
b) what happens to the extra personnel now that two hours have passed and the Yellow Alert is gone--do people like Graham and Nia and Rangin, et al., go back to their former positions? Or has the watch changed? (Actually... are watches staggered, so that there's some carryover from one hour to the next rather than a complete turnover?)
Reason I ask about the personnel is that Kylah's instinctive reaction to the cop's question is to want to consult with Graham, but I don't know if she should just turn around and ask him (if he made it to the Bridge) or if she should use her communicator. Either way she'll have to talk with a superior but she wants Graham's advice anyway.
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I found an easier to read version, but the colors are reversed
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...aa4e0b437c.jpg
Thanks! Wow, y'know, it might've just been Shatner's charisma that distracted me
Anyway, it's interesting to see the Bridge from various images and angles. Easier to picture us when we're there. For example, if Rangin were ever on Bridge duty at the same time as Kylah, the fact that their consoles are adjacent--which I never noticed till now--will make things rather awkward. (Or nice, if they ever patch things up.) Ignore, apparently that was the Enterprise configuration, not the other one we're using. So where is the Science area? All I see is environment, and now EH mentions the Life Sciences panel. Would people like Roble and Velir hang out at the Library/Research area (which I don't see on this new version--or is that what's now called the Command Intelligence station)? If not, what position would be placed at the Command Intelligence station?
Edited a billionth time to add: I'm not actually as stupid or as blind as I sound, honest. I only just now realized that there are two links in EH's post up there. I could've sworn there was only one, the Rocketfin version, which is blue & white and has very blurry text. That's what I was talking about when I said I couldn't read it. The first link is huge and very clear. Sorry for missing it!
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Except for possibly the pilot(s), the handrails were always there and always red
Eta. I'll see what I can do about the rocket fin one with Photoshop, later, during daylight
Just for Note - Tapas for Two took place on this night.
It happened off camera and fits in with continuity. Perfect time to make spare food when cooking proper stuff for the Captain.
The Chorell was about to beam up its cargo, last we heard, but no one asked if it actually had.
Graham and Rangin remain on duty; Onn was off-duty before the Yellow Alert, I thought.
The Command Intelligence panel in Franz Joseph's diagram is indeed what is commonly called the Science console, where Spock worked. To its left, as you face it, is the Science II console (#6 on choie's chart in post 3906) on the Yorktown.
Kylah could contact Graham using the intership comm function on the Communications panel, or excuse herself and use her communicator elsewhere. It's not expected that any Bridge officer would remain glued to his or her seat for an entire watch. With the permission of the BCDO, personnel come and go as needed to attend to other duties, get a snack, use the head, stretch their legs, run errands, etc.
And yes, the ST:TOS Bridge always had handrails, even in the pilot "The Cage":
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...thecage012.jpg
http://www.trekmate.org.uk/wp-conten...3/IMG_0666.png
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LleeMp9aJH8/hqdefault.jpg
http://s158.photobucket.com/user/sha...n_026.jpg.html
Please excuse my use of an image from "Spock's Brain." I'm really sorry.
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Thanks, EH!
I think people are misunderstanding me re: the handrails!I didn't say I didn't believe they existed--I saw them in the sketches and then checked the images over on Memory Alpha myself--but just that until I saw the sketches I never noticed them. Plus, I do remember reading fan stuff snarking about Worf jumping over handrails in TNG, which implied (at least to me) that they thought the then-new TNG set was poorly designed. (It might have been in one of Phil Farrand's Nitpicker's Guide to ST:TNG books, now that I think of it. I loved those books but yeah, they were picky! As were fans at the time, some of whom viewed TNG with a bit of a jaundiced eye compared to their beloved TOS.)
But anyway, all the maps and charts etc. are very helpful, thanks! I'm also newly learning that the Enterprise had a bowling alley. Nia was on duty, at least I assumed she was since she was working with engineers in the shuttle bay. Maybe she just does that stuff on her off-hours. She seems the type.
Re: the Chorell, if we'd shown more of the timeline, at some point during the two hours, Kylah would certainly have checked with the freight yard to see if the ship completed the transaction. Nia would've suggested it too, and probably she'd've asked Collins about it as well. Gotta say that I'm saddened that because of the time jump, they all look negligent by not doing something so basic.
Be prepared for Nia snark, because she ain't letting that lie before she leaves the Bridge.
Yay, Graham made it after all! Though this cracked me up:
I think Sidonian Gall is what Nia shows when she's bitching about Vargas and Singh.Reason: d'oh ninja'd by Sidonian Gall
I see Rangin's sudden PSI powers are spreading!
DAMMIT! Meta knowledge sucks
EH Please edit my entry thusly:
Before Collins can answer Onn, she hears Kylah's conversation. "Well, there you go then." She smiles at Onn. She says to Kendin "Please keep the shields up, Lieutenant, until we know this matter is under control." Collins feels her communicator vibrate with a message. She reads what T'Var has sent and replies: I am unable to get there just now as the Captain has given me the Bridge. But I will get there as soon as I can.
She'll have her emotional crisis later.
Heh, I know, it's hard to separate what we know from what our characters do! Sorry hon, if I'd been home I'd've caught it so you could edit yourself within the new, luxurious half-hour edit window. (Have you noticed that yet? Pretty sweet, nu?)
yes, it is. but in this case I wouldn't have known til now anyway - I was deep in a facebook game, rather obsessively so
Yes, the Franz Joseph deck-by-deck blueprints do show that, although What Exit? once told me he was convinced it was a U.S. Navy in-joke. (Noob sailors used to be sent to look for the bowling alley on their aircraft carrier - but there was none to find). In any event, the Yorktown has no bowling alley. I'm not convinced that bowling will still be around as a really popular sport all those years from now - and if it is, I highly doubt it will be worth giving it so much square footage on a starship.
anyrose, I'll make that change for you.
BTW - and I'm sure our fearless GM knew this, but did you all know that Hathor was the given name of the Golden Calf?
I did not! Thanks. A bit of Ancient Egypt trivia that escaped me....
I'll be out of town over the weekend. I'll next post on Sunday evening.
Have fun, and thanks for fixing my post
Sorry I haven't posted recently. Still having internet issues. I'm trying to switch everything over to a new Chromebook. Also having lots of life issues to deal with. Will try to catch up. Thanks!
{{{hugs}}} for the life issues and good luck with the new 'puter
Seconded on both!
Best wishes WES! Hope everything works out.
If Kylah was already given the choice of on ship or on planet by the Thoth authorities, why does she want to leave the locale up to them? She needs to grow a pair!
She doesn't know which is better for her--she knows what she wants to do, but she's not sure what's better legally speaking. Also, it's up to Vargas (assuming he still has his job) and/or Singh to decide who beams up to the ship or not.
But yeah, of course she needs to grow a pair. It's amazing how insecure/afraid you can get after you've been assaulted, one way or another, five times in less than two weeks. (Jan, Hardin, Palver, muggers, and Velir--the latter emotionally, of course.)
Well, that's good to know....
Damn, I am dying to find out what the Chorell situation is all about. It's lasted for weeks now, getting built up as a risk only to be knocked down and assured it's no danger. Plus there's the tease that Collins and Roble may have heard of it but apparently both have temporary amnesia. Tenterhooks here!
Mindwiping for criminals? I didn't think the Federation went in for that on ethical grounds?
In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.
It does seem extraordinarily un-Federationlike, but I rather like it, because... well, I like when the Federation shows its unpleasant underbelly.
But there are precedents in TOS, it appears, although interestingly, both uses (or similar processes) were shown primarily because they were abused:
- The "Rehabilitation Chair" in Whom the Gods Destroy, which is where our gang beams down to a penal colony and learn of a new "treatment" for mentally ill criminals. Of course the chair is then modified to create pain/torture, and is used on Kirk and others.
- Then there's the somewhat similar Dagger of the Mind episode, where a Neural neutralizer is used to implant suggestions and empty certain thoughts. This too turned out to be abused. Acc: to Memory Alpha:
Interestingly this episode is apparently the first use of the Vulcan Mind Meld, which Spock used to get access to the psychiatrist who'd been tortured into silence.The neural neutralizer was somewhat effective as a means of implanting suggestions. It created in the patient a profound sense of loneliness, also described as an "emptiness". Anything said to the patient while he was in this state would become his own thoughts. The effectiveness varied according to the complexity of the suggestion, the number of times it had been repeated, the volume of the beam, the strength of the patient's will, and the degree to which the suggestion was opposed by his own desires. Long term or repeated exposure could produce profound mental illness and synaptic damage. Additionally, the "emptying" effect could be immediately lethal; Dr. Tristan Adams was killed by accidental, unsupervised exposure to the beam.
Of course, mind-wipes were used "beneficently" in both TNG and DS9, at least twice. In TNG: when Data broke the Prime Directive and had conversations via radio w/that little kid on a doomed planet. As if that weren't bad enough, he then brought the girl up to the ship. In order to hit the reset button, Picard had Pulaski do a mind-wipe on the girl... of course, Data fucked up a third time by risking the Prime Directive and giving the girl a present he stole from Pulaski's desk. Actually, that's four times, if you include the thievery.
In DS9: The whole deal with Worf's brother, who was mind-wiped so he could start a new life under a false name.
I had Kylah be virulently against this procedure for her own reasons, since it just feels so wrong to me, and surprising in a Federation context. We're learning a lot about their slippery ethics, which I think makes the Feddies more interesting than in strict TOS canon.
Even though it's a retcon, for example, I have no doubt Section 31 is mind-wiping its former agents right and left, not to mention enemies.
BTW, does Section 31 exist in our canon? Since DS9--which says Section 31 has existed for centuries IIRC--is considered canon, but ENT (which depicts Section 31) isn't... what does that mean for us?
Oh, I was so hoping Rangin would see Kylah in the corridor. Thank you.
The mind wipe in TNG didn't always work, though. In a later season episode wherein Worf encounters his brother (son of his Terran parents) helping a tribe of pre-tech humanoids, and one finds his way off the holodeck, Crusher tried to memory wipe him but it didn't take.
I always suspected Pulaski was the better doctor--I bet she could've gotten it to stick!The mind wipe in TNG didn't always work, though. In a later season episode wherein Worf encounters his brother (son of his Terran parents) helping a tribe of pre-tech humanoids, and one finds his way off the holodeck, Crusher tried to memory wipe him but it didn't take.
If you're looking for another take on mindwipes - watch "Passing Through Gethsemane" from Babylon 5 that, while being an excellent episode, has the added bonus of Brad Dourif guest starring.
In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.
No comment as to Section 31. Heheheh.
Mindwiping is authorized under Anubis law and apparently not forbidden under Federation law, judging by the two TOS precedents choie aptly noted. Tech and methods would surely have changed in the near-century between TOS and TNG.
"Jenezite" is the name I've chosen to give the wide-eyed race of humanoid aliens from the first J.J. Abrams Star Trek movie (as represented by the doctor aboard the USS Kelvin): http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wik...rsonnel#Doctor
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Oh damn, she's creepy! No wonder Kylah scurried away from her. If I were already dizzy and saw that freak staring down at me, I'd assume my eyesight was turning everything into a funhouse mirror!
(It's a tad unfortunate that "Jenezite" kinda sounds like "Genocide," heh!)
Now my question is: I understand Singh is into rotating positions and all, but why the heck is she changing the Conn person every fifteen minutes? So far during a single watch, it's been Singh (very briefly), Collins, Singh, Collins again, Kendin, Collins yet again and now Roble. And it's not even lunch yet!
Non sequitur - Amanda Seyfried as Kylah and Karen Gillan as Collins?
Gillan looks good (although I can't imagine Collins with such an accent!
this chick
could've passed as being related to
this one
Even the stupidest of Elasian nobles would've figured that adoption out!
Preferring a more South Asian vibe, I had to send a casting call out to Bollywood. Meet Priyanka Chopra:
(I love how in the 2nd image, she's in almost exactly the same pose/facial expression as Elaan.)
Here she is in Starfleet red (the color, not the uniform), although her hair's got some highlights in it that Kylah's wouldn't:
What really amuses me is that I spotted a pic of her in THE dress!
What are the odds? (Well, in Bollywood, probably pretty good.)
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Collins' accent would be faintly Boston with maybe a hint of Irish, so someone would have to loop in all of Gillan's dialogue.
But I thought of Seyfried because of how delicate she looked in Les Miserables. Chopra would have to be a helluvan actress to convince me she's frail. For some reason (maybe because I am from a family full of them) I never think of brunettes as frail.
Oh dear, all that ADR will be awfully expensive, not to mention that Gillan's price has probably risen given her increased fame. Boston/Irish isn't that inconceivable for a British actress, she might be able to pull it off.
On the plus side, I'm convinced that Vargas's actor is having some long-running serious problems in renegotiating his contract with the producers--notice how he's been tacitly threatened with permadeath (remember Kylah's dream?) and imminent retirement, plus his dialogue and screentime have been severely reduced? A clear hardball negotiation tactic. I think he's asking for too much $$$. And we know formerly named costars have now dropped to recurring (Delaney, Pourtash, Hayes...) and we're about to lose one entirely (Fujishiro).
So what I'm saying is, looks like there might be more room in the budget for Gillen, plus the cost of the ADR.
I think she seems like she could play delicate, if not frail. Her accent would be an advantage for Kylah, whom I do envision as having a light Mediterranean, Indian or Middle Eastern lilt to her voice. One big downside is that this gal is 5'7"--four inches too tall! We'd have to put her in a trench whenever she stands next to Rangin. She's also not as curvy as Kylah, but that's easily fixed by forcing down some pasta and stuffing her bra.But I thought of Seyfried because of how delicate she looked in Les Miserables. Chopra would have to be a helluvan actress to convince me she's frail. For some reason (maybe because I am from a family full of them) I never think of brunettes as frail.
In any event, heck yeah brunettes can be frail! If you watch Downton Abbey, Jessica Brown Findley, who played youngest daughter Sybil, looked like a strong wind could blow her away.
She was the first person I thought of earlier, actually, when imagining Kylah actresses. But she's just too British rose-esque to be believable. Also we'd need dark contact lenses.
My second thought was another Brit, the ridiculously lovely and talented Sierra Boggess, who's played Christine in Phantom, Fantine in Les Mis, and every other damsel-in-distress soprano heroine in musical theatre.
But she too would need a tanning bed and contacts--and she'd definitely cost too much.
Really, Kylah's actress needs to seem vulnerable more than frail, I'd say. Like, think of Troi: Marina Sirtis wasn't a sylph but I, at least, bought that she wasn't very strong (she was tossed around like a beanbag by that creepy empath who mind-raped her). Kylah's problem... uh, one of the incalculable number of problems... is her fear, which is really what makes her seem so weak. At times she can be feisty, such as when yelling at Collins, fighting the slime devils or even making an attempt to fight two muggers. But when her fear takes over she loses all confidence and goes into paralysis mode.
Girlfriend also needs to eat more. She's skipped more meals than she's eaten over the past two weeks!
Y'know, I liked Jessica Brown Findley on Downton Abbey. Didn't think she seemed too frail.
In the alternative, maybe Emmy Rossum as Kylah?
Or perhaps Gemma Arterton?
Mrwowrrrrr.
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Sorry EH, one of these days I will remember it's watch and not shift.
In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.
Oh, how I wish there were a transporter room on deck two where all the action is happening.
Collins rounds the corridor and sees the melee. Surprised, she drops the package she's crying causing the contents to shatter even further.
ROTFL
She wasn't too frail, just frail enough.
Heh, I also thought of Rossum--mainly because of her fantabulous hair, which isn't naturally that blandly tame (damn Hollywood's straight hair obsession!)--but she too is a bit whitey mcwhiterson for how I envision Kylah.In the alternative, maybe Emmy Rossum as Kylah?
I've never heard of/seen her before, amazingly enough considering how many things she's been in! She's an interesting one, because judging from the panoply of photos of her online, she sometimes looks right for the role, and at others looks totally wrong. (Her Tess look, for example, isn't great; her Prince of Persia look, OTOH...)Or perhaps Gemma Arterton?
But boy, do you have a type or what?
Speaking of which, since Keira Knightley is surely the reason our budget is so damn small, maybe the producers can cut Knightley loose and go with Gemma for Lt. Bennett? Especially if she's going to be making more appearances. Then maybe we could've had enough in the FX budget to go to battle with the Trimalchio!
I'm standing firm on whatshername up there until I can find a shrimpier actress. Casting call for short (5'4" or less) curvy actresses with dark coloring and olive skin, preferably Greek, Israeli, Indian, Arab or similar background. Light accent a plus.
Well, Collins could change her mind about dropping off the package and instead ask the computer to locate Kylah (did TOS computers have that ability?) and bop on down to Deck 2 to surprise her personally.
Last edited by choie; 02 Sep 2015 at 08:45 PM.
As an addendum, I hope y'all appreciate how much effort CIAS and I are putting into making Rangin and Kylah's dialogue ambiguous. Take the dialogue out of context, hear only certain sections, and it's an entirely different conversation--one that fits Graham's preconceived notion of what their dynamic is:
KYLAH: No, I do not want to go, I told you. You cannot make me. I can stand on my own now! Please, Velir, I just want to be left alone!All so that Graham can easily cherry-pick any of that to identify Rangin as abuser and Kylah as his victim!
RANGIN: There's no use arguing as we've had this argument before, I was right then and I'm right now. You need looking after and it seems I'm the only one who really cares for you. You're going to have to trust me, it's for your own good.
KYLAH: Oh--do not blame Velir, Mr. Graham, please. It is all my fault... he is trying to help. He wants what is best for me, I know he does. He said so.
Cote de Pablo hasn't done much since leaving NCIS. And she can play frail as in the season seven opener "Truth or Consequences"Speaking of which, since Keira Knightley is surely the reason our budget is so damn small, maybe the producers can cut Knightley loose and go with Gemma for Lt. Bennett? Especially if she's going to be making more appearances. Then maybe we could've had enough in the FX budget to go to battle with the Trimalchio!
I'm standing firm on whatshername up there until I can find a shrimpier actress. Casting call for short (5'4" or less) curvy actresses with dark coloring and olive skin, preferably Greek, Israeli, Indian, Arab or similar background. Light accent a plus.
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