That bit about sprinting but being careful was a nice touch, btw, I meant to say, anyroseOriginally posted by general_urko
Despite her caution, Collins barrels into a surprised Rangin, causing him to fly over a table in spectacular fashion and suffer a mild concussion along with great embarrassment.
C'mon EH, pretty please?
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Last edited by general_urko; 07 Mar 2015 at 01:04 PM.
Hmm, I wonder what the AMR's from the extended away team said about the initial party?
In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.
Ooh that's a good question. Do they even get AMRs?
I would imagine some of the ones who got into scrapes with Kylah and, to a lesser extent, Rangin, would be likely to confer and express their dissatisfaction with the inexperienced and incompetent leadership forced on them, explaining that instructions were poorly delivered and inconsistent and so they had to correct for certain mistakes in judgment (particularly Kylah's).
Kjaerstad, as a senior officer, seems the most likely to have some pertinent things to say, with Russell backing him up.
Such a dichotomy between what Kylah/Rangin say and what Kjaerstad/Russell/Harper/Rawlings* et al. say could be extremely juicy to explore later on. For right now, if that's what Vargas is dealing with, it puts Graham in an especially difficult and unenviable position.
* Although to be fair, while Rawlings made the biggest blunder, he seemed to be the most sincerely contrite. He certainly had none of the attitude problems evidenced by Russell and Harper, who both made some disparaging sounds after Kylah and Velir took them to task for ignoring her orders about consolidating the team's activities by placing Hsu in the resort's security area.
Dang Vargas is holding Graham's feet to the fire. Good.
Big laugh out of this:
I just wanted to say: awww, what a stand-up guy you are, Graham! I'm sure Kylah and, who was it, St. Croix? would both be thrilled and honored to know you specifically--and rather condescendingly--patted them on their heads for being good little crew members. (Seriously, why is he pointing out the kudos he gave just the women, or maybe just Kylah? He sounds as if he's saying, "geeze, Vargas, I gave her some minor credit, what more does that uppity Elasian want? It's not like she was the one who helped solve the case by figuring out Hardin wasn't the murderer and Palver was, or anything...")
Also, note this suave bit of tapdancing:
Bolding mine. Of course Kylah's the one who first gave the order to Garcia to provide back-up; Graham later also confirmed this request over the open channel conversation w/Kylah and Kjaerstad, but by that point, Kjaerstad had already disobeyed Kylah's initial order and pulled Garcia to watch videos."There were two things that warranted action as clearly unacceptable," he continues, nodding slightly. "One, some Security personnel may have expressed a, uh, lack of enthusiasm for being placed under Ensign Kylah's direction. Two, she did not receive the back-up I'd ordered--or a replacement--just prior to confronting Mrs. Hsu.
I can't help noticing that Graham only thinks it worth mentioning that his order wasn't followed. Whereas the more likely root of the problem is that Kjaerstad wasn't listening to Kylah in particular (either because she's a non-security officer, a woman, an Elasian, inexperienced, or unlikeable... or any combination of the above; hell, maybe he's friends w/Ferguson).
I'll say this for him: Graham is amazingly well-written as true to his character. Old school, protective, and unconsciously (and possibly inadvertently) paternalistic, even for the 23rd century.
Last edited by choie; 08 Mar 2015 at 11:48 PM.
Heh heh. In Graham's 'defense' re: paternalism, 'atta boy' is a common phrase in policing for a 'kudo' in a report, and both of the 'atta boys' in this case went to women (yep, Kylah and St. Croix) - I figured by 23rd Century folks would interchange the gender term freely...Dang Vargas is holding Graham's feet to the fire. Good.
Big laugh out of this:
I just wanted to say: awww, what a stand-up guy you are, Graham! I'm sure Kylah and, who was it, St. Croix? would both be thrilled and honored to know you specifically--and rather condescendingly--patted them on their heads for being good little crew members. ...
I'll say this for him: Graham is amazingly well-written as true to his character. Old school, protective, and unconsciously (and possibly inadvertently) paternalistic, even for the 23rd century.
When I worked for my dad, decades ago, he had xeroxed off a bunch of attaboys and handed them out as warranted
At least that's how I translated it.
Meanwhile with all the latest angst about Kylah not having friends, I just remembered how much I like Thalen and I realize Kylah totally needs a gay BFF. (And he's gotta be gay; I've been in the music biz basically all my life and I know a Friend of Dorothy when I see one!) I know he's her supervisor but still, he seems like one of the coolest dudes on the ship.
Ok so that sounds like Graham shouldn't hold his breath waiting to hear "thanks for the atta girl" from Kylah...
At least that's how I translated it.
and probably not from St Croix. Or Dobson for that matter.
Very entertaining, uh, analysis of Kirk in WaPo.
Ha! My wife might almost have written that. She'd take Picard over Kirk any day, for mostly the same reasons.
Uh oh! Never say 'no comment' to a journalist!
I see danger Will Robinson!!
Heh, I know. She really has no good options here. If she doesn't contact him, Walcott will surely do the old "Ensign Kylah was unavailable for comment" or, worse, "Ensign Kylah turned down this reporter's request for an interview." Really she is hoping Walcott will give her some indication of what's in store for her via his questions. Her mistake was asking Thalen if she could follow up w/Walcott, instead of just shutting up and contacting the guy herself.
Of course Thalen would probably have known about her contacting Walcott after the fact (considering he's obviously in the know about Communications traffic). But Kylah could then have had plausible deniability/innocence: "I was merely fulfilling my agreement to get back to him and tell him I could not speak to him."
Meanwhile the lesson Graham is learning is amusingly backwards, but again, true to form. The only reason he was mission leader was due to his experience as a security officer, so of course he was the correct person to take the lead in going after Hardin--the stuff he delegated to Kylah was the administrative/clean-up stuff (so we thought at the time) of searching Hardin's things, finishing the interview w/Mrs. Hsu about her affair w/Wilson, and so on. In any event even with Vargas breathing down his neck, Graham is unwilling to acknowledge that Russell, Harper and especially Kjaerstad should have obeyed Kylah's orders regardless of whether Graham was right in putting her in that position.
Garcia's the lesser problem anyway, as I see it. He knew less about what was going on. If during the chase he was contacted by Kjaerstad, an actual security officer, and given a different objective, Garcia very likely assumed Kjaerstad knew what he was doing. Depending on where Kjaerstad is headed as a character (who knows, given his unpleasantly stone-faced reaction to Graham's mild reminder to treat Kylah with some respect, not to mention his having pulled Garcia off Kylah's backup* in the first place), Kjaerstad could have told Garcia anything to explain the request and can excuse it now as a misunderstanding.
I mean, it doesn't have to be nefarious, he could just be a major screw-up. But I'm hedging my bets that he isn't. Russell and to a lesser degree Harper were also pretty stupid down there. If Kjaerstad is another idiot, then the Security department really does have a serious and endemic incompetency issue. We know Vargas doesn't suffer fools gladly, so why is his department like a clown car of idiots?
OTOH, if it was an attempt to frag a disliked colleague--or at least scare her--yipe! That would be a creepy but unfortunately believable twist. And short of his admitting it to Graham--hardly likely--there's really no way he'd be caught, because unlike Kylah, he does have plausible deniability. "Just bad judgment, miscommunication, yadda yadda."
* Why does "pull(ing) Garcia off Kylah's backup" sound like a euphemism?
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Given what happened with the AMR's, I'm still waiting for Graham to go and find Kylah and Rangin and start demanding answers as to why they said all those nasty things about his beloved security. Of course, he's going to blame Garcia instead of Kjaerstad for the screwup isn't he.
It's obvious why Security are the Keystone Cops - it makes Vargas look good when he tidies up after them.
I'll be honest, I'm enjoying watching all the repercussions unfold like this, instead of just heading for the next mission.
In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.
Like CIAS I am also enjoying the post mission (even though it hasn't been the easiest going for Graham...). I do appreciate the kudos for Graham's consistency, he's nothing if not that - for better or worse...
I'm loathe to comment too much OOG since some of these things may come up in game...
exploring the personal lives of the crew is fine with me.
Thirding (oops, ninja'ed by anyrose) I mean fourthing how enjoyable the aftermath stuff is. It's not something usually seen in the TOS-era (which is why I'm a DS9 gal--it excelled at showing the consequences of its characters' actions), and I love that we're getting to role-play aspects of life as a Starfleet officer other than being inside a mission. It's all about the follow-through, baby!
Meanwhile, Graham is killing me with this stuff:
Bolding mine. Damn it, Booker, NO YOU DIDN'T. Kylah did. You confirmed it but Kylah was the one who ordered the backup. Get it together, son!...at the time Ens. Kylah confronted Mrs. Hsu in the transporter room, she had no backup. I'd assigned Lt. Garcia to that task, but when push came to shove, neither he nor anybody else was on-scene."
In fact, now that I reread that whole section from #3306 onward, while Kjaerstad should be excoriated for disobeying Kylah, he has an easy defense for disobeying Graham. Because right after Graham said "yeah, Garcia should meet up with Kylah," Kjaerstad told him that actually Garcia was now with him looking over videos. And Graham said nothing, which could have been interpreted as "okay, fine, Garcia should stay where he is."
He shouldn't have been surprised later when Kylah revealed that Garcia wasn't with her--although given the chaos of dealing with everyone remotely over communicator, it's understandable that he wasn't keeping track. But the truth is simply that Kjaerstad told him where Garcia was, and he gave tacit approval of this by saying nothing.
Of course, it's no excuse for Kjaerstad's having countermanded Kylah's orders earlier, but if Graham persists with focusing only on his own order, Kjaerstad is in the clear and the guilt reverts to Graham for not following up on what Kjaerstad told him.
Hope Kjaerstad or Garcia calls him on this.
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Well son of a **** I was sure Graham had sent Garcia on his way initially, but I just re-read the section again and you're right.Thirding (oops, ninja'ed by anyrose) I mean fourthing how enjoyable the aftermath stuff is. It's not something usually seen in the TOS-era (which is why I'm a DS9 gal--it excelled at showing the consequences of its characters' actions), and I love that we're getting to role-play aspects of life as a Starfleet officer other than being inside a mission. It's all about the follow-through, baby!
Meanwhile, Graham is killing me with this stuff:
Bolding mine. Damn it, Booker, NO YOU DIDN'T. Kylah did. You confirmed it but Kylah was the one who ordered the backup. Get it together, son!...at the time Ens. Kylah confronted Mrs. Hsu in the transporter room, she had no backup. I'd assigned Lt. Garcia to that task, but when push came to shove, neither he nor anybody else was on-scene."
In fact, now that I reread that whole section from #3306 onward, while Kjaerstad should be excoriated for disobeying Kylah, he has an easy defense for disobeying Graham. Because right after Graham said "yeah, Garcia should meet up with Kylah," Kjaerstad told him that actually Garcia was now with him looking over videos. And Graham said nothing, which could have been interpreted as "okay, fine, Garcia should stay where he is."
He shouldn't have been surprised later when Kylah revealed that Garcia wasn't with her--although given the chaos of dealing with everyone remotely over communicator, it's understandable that he wasn't keeping track. But the truth is simply that Kjaerstad told him where Garcia was, and he gave tacit approval of this by saying nothing.
Of course, it's no excuse for Kjaerstad's having countermanded Kylah's orders earlier, but if Graham persists with focusing only on his own order, Kjaerstad is in the clear and the guilt reverts to Graham for not following up on what Kjaerstad told him.
Hope Kjaerstad or Garcia calls him on this.
Well I suppose that makes this all the more realistic about the 'fog of war' and sorting out what really happened when...
choie (or at least Kylah) must have an eidetic memory
Well son of a **** I was sure Graham had sent Garcia on his way initially, but I just re-read the section again and you're right.
Well I suppose that makes this all the more realistic about the 'fog of war' and sorting out what really happened when...
Looks like Graham really wasn't paying attention to her!
BUT it is realistic, as you say. A lot of crap was going down all at once. Graham was in the middle of the Hardin hunt when the Hsu thing happened. (Hmm, that sounds like a sentence Professor Higgins would've given Eliza Doolittle.) He was basically a general in charge of troops about to go to the front, when suddenly a second battle broke out miles away.
Only for this mission, alas! Once a mystery became the core of the mission, I made it a point to take copious notes and keep track of the clues. Back in... September, I think? I went through the thread, pulled out all the relevant posts where some sort of evidence was gathered, and combined them into a single document. (This was just prior to Hardin stunning Graham/Kylah.) I then sent the doc to the general and CIAS so we could confer.
We've also done a lot of sleuthing, speculating and discussing, which has helped me keep track of things too. So, yeah, I'm super-clear on the timeline and everyone's movements. Almost creepily so. The 23rd century version of the FBI should keep its eye on me.
Meanwhile, is Collins really going to just spend the night with Cooper? What about Cooper's roommate? Or doesn't he have one? Maybe the guy has his own girlfriend (or boyfriend) and regularly spends the evenings elsewhere.
Having bunkmates sure makes sexytimes difficult on this ship! At least for non-exhibitionists, anyway.
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Collins' intent is to just spoon/cuddle. We'll see what happens.
Would you rather she brought Ben home with her? Kylah would be forced to bunk with Velir for the night
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Heh, no, cuddle away! Although if that's all they intend, Kylah probably would just have to bear it, teeth clenched and silent in her own bunk.
I was just opining on the difficulty of people's romantic lives on the ship. I don't remember seeing roommate situations on the ships before--probably because the Trek shows only focused on higher-level officers, who rated single bunks.
Yeoman Rand had a single AFAWK
Palver studied with the Ullians!
The women are falling apart!
Damn, that's harsh on Collins.
Oh Kylah, what have you done? Broken your promises, disobeyed orders and prejudiced a possible future trial.
In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.
Yeah, I think she needs Dr. Villa less than Dr. Noel at this point. (That's the shrink's name, right?)
Hey nobody's perfect.Oh Kylah, what have you done? Broken your promises, disobeyed orders and prejudiced a possible future trial.
Although... how would this prejudice a future trial? It's not as if a trial would decide between Hardin and Palver--Palver's the one who was arrested for murder (wasn't he?).
You mentioned the footage from the nightclub, gave details about how you suspected Palver and stated outright that Palver did it. So far, it has just been mentioned he has been taken into custody.Hey nobody's perfect.Oh Kylah, what have you done? Broken your promises, disobeyed orders and prejudiced a possible future trial.
Although... how would this prejudice a future trial? It's not as if a trial would decide between Hardin and Palver--Palver's the one who was arrested for murder (wasn't he?).
In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.
Oh is that all?
Hopefully Gaines will back her up on the video footage on the record, leaving Kylah's name out of that part at least. Of course whether Walcott actually does keep Kylah as anonymous source is anyone's guess. He didn't actually agree to that, but if he's a smart reporter he won't reveal a source whom he might want to utilize later.
Kylah better brush up on those archived Law & Order, CSI, and NCIS episodes. The investigating team always holds back crucial bits of info from the press until the trial. That way the alleged perpetrators don't know how close to being convicted they actually are.
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Heh. Well, unless Palver's an idiot, he knows about the video footage, since Kylah and Rangin flat-out asked him about it in the library, after he invented that amusingly ridiculous "temporary spore amnesia" tale to explain the discrepancy between what Kylah saw on the video of his actions vs. that entire fake account of his activities he gave to Collins and Kylah spoke to him that first morning.
If Walcott comes out with the story re: the video and follows her wishes to remain anonymous, Kylah has plausible deniability (such a useful term!) if she's blamed for blabbing, considering there was another witness to that discovery of the video--that goofy resort security guy who was drooling over her--who knows about the evidence as well. Considering the other lies going around, this one could get lost in the shuffle.
(Seriously, who on earth told Walcott that she and Palver were having an affair--and why? She was never even alone with him. Unless someone heard that she slept with a rich businessman and that was interpreted as Palver, rather than Jan. Or it could just be a stone-cold malicious lie put out by... someone. I have no idea who!)
Meanwhile, I hope Graham is never put in charge of an Internal Affairs investigation, because he is unbelievably determined not to find fault with anyone on the crew. "Faults on all sides, slipped through the cracks, won't happen again." It's noble that he intends to apologize (assuming he does) but I don't think Kylah will find that satisfying.
Last edited by choie; 13 Mar 2015 at 01:19 PM.
Hey, I think Graham's conclusion is pretty clear - all three (Graham, Kjaerstad, Garcia) are clearly at fault for not living up to the high standard of simple diligence and care every officer should hold themselves to. Now that the ship has sailed (well, I think the ship has sailed, maybe tipping my hand here will enable EH to target some rocks falling from the sky...), Graham's POV is that from a regulation / rules point of view, they could all point fingers at each other (Garcia: I wasn't trained on Security protocols, Kjaerstad: I told you I was using Garcia, Graham: Give me a break, I had a lot going on) but the bottom line is nobody should be cavalier and lax about this stuff.
Hence his last comment & thought. (If Kjaerstad was under Graham's command back in the day and didn't apologize, he'd find himself either assigned to remedial training or transferred shortly.)
But fair enough, Graham's POV is that the situation was FUBAR enough that trying to nail things down into specific regs/admonishment would be counter-productive. Which does suggest, given what Kylah told him earlier, that she juuuuussst miiiiight not find it fully satisfying...
50 quatloos if Kylah orders "a hotpot with a side of bitchcakes"
Yeah, Graham's mistake was mainly starting off with the wrong question. He might have gotten further with: "Let's go through the chain of events that led to Kylah ending up without backup." That would likely have taken them all back to the start of Kylah's order, rather than only what happened after Graham repeated it--by which time Garcia had already been reassigned. Instead, Graham unintentionally gave Kjaerstad the 'out' he needed.
So confronted with the question Graham did ask, Kjaerstad was able to take advantage the situation and thus got away with not revealing that the problem was caused by Kjaerstad's own unilateral decision to override Kylah's order to Garcia. Something that Graham either forgot or didn't pay attention to during Kylah's description of events.
(It'd be interesting to know whether Garcia objected at the time to being reassigned... if he ever said to Kjaerstad, "well, wait, Kylah is expecting me as backup." And if he did, how did Kjaerstad respond? I wonder why he's keeping silent about that now.)
It was negligent of Graham to ignore/skip over Kjaerstad's announcement at the time that Garcia was with him. But that's more of a passive mistake than Kjaerstad's flagrant act of disobedience/wanton disregard for a colleague's safety. They should all be written up to one degree or another, IMHO. But Kjaerstad's behavior was egregious and sometimes blaming the person who actually actively screwed up is the right thing to do.
Oh well, it gives Kylah another potential confrontation scene w/Kjaerstad. That should be fun.
Last edited by choie; 13 Mar 2015 at 02:14 PM.
May I ask what you meant. My comment here, or the preggers flaunting her belly at Collins?
The latter with Collins going into shock like that. Going to take a while to get over it.May I ask what you meant. My comment here, or the preggers flaunting her belly at Collins?
In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.
buncha busy-body tattle-tales on this ship
Yeah, tell me about it!
An officer collapses in a corridor, yeah, word gets around....
Just saw Predestination, a nifty time travel/paradox thriller based on the Heinlein 1959 short story "--All You Zombies--," but with a major subplot added.
Trailer:
Wiki article on the original short story - beware, spoilers!: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_You_Zombies
Definitely worth seeing.
Hmm, I do like time travel, but am very much not a Heinlein fan. Might have to look this one up!
Apologies for 2 posts in a row in main thread, but...well, it's obvious why I couldn't resist...
So, you're hoping that when Graham returns to Kylah's room, he'll interrupt some extra curricular activities?
Raining on Rangin's parade (so to speak) would be gratifying...
No spoilers in the trailer. Start there.
So, Graham is now Jeff Goldblum on the last night of The Big Chill, waiting for Glenn Close to show up so he has someone to talk to.
GRAHAM: "Ensign Kylah, I must tell you I'm picking up vibrations here on this ship. I'm almost certain there's sex going on around here..."
Where's Deanna Troi when you need her...?
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