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    Default Northwest Airlines Pilots Miss Airport by 150 Miles

    According to ABC News:

    Two pilots of a Northwest Airlines flight Wednesday were apparently so distracted that they missed their airport and kept flying for 150 miles before landing the plane and its 147 passengers safely.

    For one hour and 18 minutes, the pilots -- flying at 37,000 feet above sea level -- were radio silent as air traffic controllers at times tried to reach the cockpit, according to a news release from the National Transportation Safety Board.

    As the event unfolded, concern was high among air traffic controllers, who repeatedly attempted to establish contact during the incident, using multiple methods, the air traffic controllers union told ABC News. Eventually, controllers asked other planes in the air to attempt to contact the Northwest plane, a method that the union said ultimately proved successful.

    The pilots of the Airbus A320 told the FBI and airport police that they were in a heated discussion over airline policy and they lost awareness of the situation, the Federal Aviation Administration said.

    The NTSB plans to interview the crew and is reviewing the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder of the flight, Northwest 188 from San Diego to Minneapolis. The NTSB will be investigating whether the pilots fell asleep, along with all other possibilities.

    "There wasn't any problem on board -- nothing," Andrea Allmon of San Diego told ABC affiliate KSTP. "We landed, everyone got ready to get off the plane and suddenly police were getting on the plane and telling us to sit down. They went into the cockpit, looked around and then told everyone to get off the plane."

    Early in 2008, the two pilots of a go! Airlines flight from Honolulu to Hilo, Hawaii fell asleep for at least 18 minutes while in the air. The plane flew past the airport and out to sea before air traffic controllers finally were able to reach the pilots, who turned the plane around. The captain later was diagnosed with sleep apnea.

    Delta Airlines, which now owns Northwest, said in a statement that the "safety of our passengers and crew is our top priority."
    "We are cooperating with the FAA and NTSB in their investigation, as well as conducting our own internal investigation," Delta said in the statement. "The pilots have been relieved from active flying pending the completion of these investigations."

    Asked how many years of service the pilots have and how many hours they were into their shift, a Delta spokesman said, "We are not sharing as that is all part of the investigation."

    This is the second instance in just days of a Delta flight crew having an apparent safety lapse. Monday at 6:05 a.m., Delta flight 60 from Rio de Janeiro to Atlanta landed on a taxiway instead of the parallel runway where it was supposed to touch down. There were no injuries to any of the 182 passengers or 11 crew members on the flight.

    ABC News' Matt Hosford and Lisa Stark contributed to this report.
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    Know why this is so funny? Because I wasn't one of the passengers.

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    See, this is why I don't fly.
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    So am I the only one who thinks they were doing something besides talking about airport policy? Or should I get my mind out of the gutter?
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    Oh god, I don't like flying and I can never wait to get off the plane. An extra hour and 18 minutes, and for no good reason. I would have been climbing the walls!

    ETA: Pepper, they are reviewing the voice recorder, so if there was anything porny going on the world will soon know!
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    Okay, I'll admit that I've driven past an exit that I take five days a week because my mind was totally somewhere else. I mean, who hasn't done that? So I can give them a bit of a -- no, wait, I can't give them a pass on this one. For all the hoops the TSA makes passengers jump through, for all the extra bullshit fees the airlines are now charging, and for the crappy little bag of six pretzels that some airlines even CHARGE for now, I'd at least expect my money to pay for a pilot who knows his exit.

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    But I'm still laughing (because it wasn't me on the plane.)

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    But I'm still laughing (because it wasn't me on the plane.)
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    Yeah, it's actually worse than just missing the airport by 150 miles -- the various control towers along the way could not reach them by radio for over 90 minutes! They had to ask other planes in the area to get their attention, and it took a flight attendant to go into the cockpit to tell them.

    My money says that they were both asleep.

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    I'm going to say they were asleep too. I hope they both get their pilot's licenses revoked because of this. When you are directly responsible for the lives of 150 people, handing control over to a computer and shutting your eyes is inexcusable.
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    Yeah, especially since neither Charlton Heston nor Karen Black were on board for backup.

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    The pilots of the Airbus A320 told the FBI and airport police that they were in a heated discussion over airline policy and they lost awareness of the situation
    Good news guys, now that you are out of a job you can spend all day talking about airline policies.

    For one hour and 18 minutes, the pilots -- flying at 37,000 feet above sea level -- were radio silent as air traffic controllers at times tried to reach the cockpit
    So according to the pilots, they were having a discussion of airline policies so heated and involved that they not only forgot that they were flying a plane full of passengers, but also were ignoring the radio for over an hour? Asleep,drunk, or just plain incompetent? Take your pick.
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    There are some delicious comments and interesting conjecture on what really happened here at The Consumerist.

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    That's what you get when you chop pilot pay down to just over minimum wage.

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    Pilots are only human, I believe the punishment was a little excessive. Suspend them for a month or so, fine them, but I can't see the benefit of revoking their license for a year given their previous track record of NO OFFENSES. That and they didn't crash the plane, they did land it safetly, and while its scary to think they lost track of air traffic control for an hour it's not something I suspect they will ever let happen again. There are good pilots and they deserve a second chance.

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    Quote Originally posted by TFR You SOB View post
    It's all fun and games until your pilot dozes off and you're eating human flesh on a mountain top
    And really, it's still all fun and games until you run out of human flesh, or there's none left but that tough, stringy old lady that everyone was leaving for last.
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    Quote Originally posted by TFR You SOB View post
    It's all fun and games until your pilot dozes off and you're eating human flesh on a mountain top
    Reminds of the Far Side cartoon - the pilot looks out the front window and wonders, "What's a mountain goat doing 'way up here in a cloudbank?"

    Revoking their licenses seems appropriate punishment to me, even with no prior disciplinary problems. They were out of touch for 78 minutes (so says CNN.com), and Air National Guard planes were reportedly put on standby to go up and have a look. Whether they were napping, arguing, looking at their laptops or giving each other blowjobs, there's no excuse for being unreachable and derelict in their duties for that long. People could have died.

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    Quote Originally posted by hatesfreedom View post
    Pilots are only human, I believe the punishment was a little excessive. Suspend them for a month or so, fine them, but I can't see the benefit of revoking their license for a year given their previous track record of NO OFFENSES. That and they didn't crash the plane, they did land it safetly, and while its scary to think they lost track of air traffic control for an hour it's not something I suspect they will ever let happen again. There are good pilots and they deserve a second chance.
    I doubt that they would do it again even if you let them go with a warning. Losing their licenses is a warning to all other pilots and reassurance to the public that this is serious business.

    Argue airline policy in the union hall. When in the air FLY THE DAMN PLANE.
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