Police officer "accidentally" puts innocent man in coma.

[ivan astikov]

Anyone seen yet?

Apparently, the officer had been called to the store to answer a report about some yobbos causing trouble inside. Arriving at the store, he mistook the man in the video for one of the descriptions he had been given, and what you see is what you get.

A spokesman for the officer's police force said this was a complete accident and he was fully justified to have done what he did, under the circumstances.

Anyone agree?

[Q.E.D.]

Not nearly enough information to tell. The video conveniently leaves out the early stages of the confrontation between the two.

[Baldwin]

Police officer "accidentally" puts innocent man in coma.

What are the quotation marks for?

[Q.E.D.]

Police officer "accidentally" puts innocent man in coma.

What are the quotation marks for?

Criminals think the police are always malicious.

[ivan astikov]

Police officer "accidentally" puts innocent man in coma.

What are the quotation marks for?

Because as I said, someone speaking on his behalf said it was just "an unfortunate accident, and no police officer goes out in the morning to hurt somebody"( ).

An "accident" would be as the police officer was running towards the suspect, he tripped up, fell forward, and pushed the suspect into the wall. What that officer did was fully intended. What do you think he thought was going to happen when he put all his 250lb into pushing someone smaller than him?

[ivan astikov]

[quote=Q.E.D.]

Police officer "accidentally" puts innocent man in coma.

What are the quotation marks for?

Criminals think the police are always malicious.[/quote:3hnxirgn]

Go fuck yourself with a splintered baton.

[Q.E.D.]

Nah, that doesn't sound like much fun. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

[ivan astikov]

Not nearly enough information to tell. The video conveniently leaves out the early stages of the confrontation between the two.

Does it look as if the suspect is making a concerted effort to get away? Does the suspect look particularly threatening? Did the suspect even look like any of the people the officer was meant to be dealing with?

I too am a bit annoyed that the cctv footage was snipped where it was, but I'm hard pressed to think of what might have gone before that would have led to such an extreme reaction from the officer in question.

[Q.E.D.]

Could have been anything. Maybe the individual sprayed the officer with pepper spray. Maybe he brandished a weapon which was knocked from his grip in a scuffle before the video starts. I make no claims as to the likelihood of these having occurred; I merely offer them up as possibilities. My point is that we just don't know. And I'm not prepared to render a judgment based solely on this one, edited clip.

[ivan astikov]

Fair enough, but it's only because this incident was captured on film that the officer is facing any criticism at all. If it hadn't, the cop would likely have been bragging about this incident to his buddies in the squad room, until it was found out he'd got the wrong person. Because if a person is suspected of anything that is threatening to the officer's well-being, he is entitled to use any force he can get away with.

Is that the kind of police forces we are striving for?

[Q.E.D.]

If it hadn't, the cop would likely have been bragging about this incident to his buddies in the squad room...

How much time, exactly, have you spent in police squadrooms? Must be considerable, if you know exactly what they do in there.

[danceswithcats]

Fair enough, but it's only because this incident was captured on film that the officer is facing any criticism at all. If it hadn't, the cop would likely have been bragging about this incident to his buddies in the squad room, until it was found out he'd got the wrong person. Because if a person is suspected of anything that is threatening to the officer's well-being, he is entitled to use any force he can get away with.

Is that the kind of police forces we are striving for?

That's unsupportable fertilizer, which smells of horse.

[Baldwin]

[quote=ivan astikov]

Police officer "accidentally" puts innocent man in coma.

What are the quotation marks for?

Because as I said, someone speaking on his behalf said it was just "an unfortunate accident, and no police officer goes out in the morning to hurt somebody"( ).[/quote:2vb6ulab]Is that supposed to make sense as an answer to my question? It does not.

Neither you nor I have enough information to know just what went down. I'm not disregarding your opinion just because you're a criminal; you haven't presented clear evidence (or, actually, a clear statement of what your opinion is).

ETA: On second view, I think you're trying to say that your thread title is simply a shortened form of:

Police officer puts innocent man in coma; police spokesman says it was accidental

. Correct?

[ivan astikov]

[quote=Q.E.D.]

If it hadn't, the cop would likely have been bragging about this incident to his buddies in the squad room...

How much time, exactly, have you spent in police squadrooms? Must be considerable, if you know exactly what they do in there.[/quote:3rt4ebql]

Not a lot in squadrooms, but I've been among them when they've been on their home turf and completely in their element and they are like big football jocks who have just scored a touch-down, when they've made a decent arrest. I've also spent a lot of time around prison guards, who basically, are those who couldn't get into the police force.( ie. As good as equivalent to the police officers who've barely scraped in. Now, the environment a prison guard has to control or acclimatise to, is far less tricky than that a police officer deals with, and is also far better regulated than the outside world, so, they have far less opportunities for fucking up, or being corrupt, but we all know it is still going on. And surely this can only be done if fellow officers are turning a blind eye, hence they are all at fault!)

Fair enough, but it's only because this incident was captured on film that the officer is facing any criticism at all. If it hadn't, the cop would likely have been bragging about this incident to his buddies in the squad room, until it was found out he'd got the wrong person. Because if a person is suspected of anything that is threatening to the officer's well-being, he is entitled to use any force he can get away with.

Is that the kind of police forces we are striving for?

That's unsupportable fertilizer, which smells of horse.

It's speculative, I'll give you that!

Correct?

DING! Pick something off the bottom row, or sling another dollar in to increase your prize. :smile:

[ivan astikov]

Could have been anything. Maybe the individual sprayed the officer with pepper spray. Maybe he brandished a weapon which was knocked from his grip in a scuffle before the video starts.

Nope, because the man assaulted was later found out to have just been visiting the mall, hence the word "innocent" in my thread title. Unless being guilty of acting suspicious by running out of the way of a rather large plod is reason to be body-slammed?

[puppygod]

Unless being guilty of acting suspicious by running out of the way of a rather large plod is reason to be body-slammed?

Actually that is the case. Law Enforcement Officers can lawfully give you order (for example tell you to stop right there and don't move) and if you don't comply (for example still be running out of the way) they are allowed to body slam you into submission. That's the law. You can call your representative, but I doubt they are gonna to change it.

[Walker in Eternity]

[quote=ivan astikov]

Could have been anything. Maybe the individual sprayed the officer with pepper spray. Maybe he brandished a weapon which was knocked from his grip in a scuffle before the video starts.

Nope, because the man assaulted was later found out to have just been visiting the mall, hence the word "innocent" in my thread title. Unless being guilty of acting suspicious by running out of the way of a rather large plod is reason to be body-slammed?[/quote:3srxiq73]

Does anyone know if the man recovered or not? The comments on You Tube seem to indicate that he was in a life threatening state.

While I don't know about the circumstances of this incident it does look like a massive overreaction on the part of the police to me.

For the record, I'm not a criminal, but like Ivan I have a healthy distrust of the Police in the UK. The reason, I've met some and if they weren't in the Police they would be out mugging old ladies. It attracts a certain level of thuggery. Admitedly not all are like this, but even a small percentage that are can affect the public trust of the rest. I have been told "annecdotal" stories by reliable witnesses about a number of dubious police practices such as high ranking officers crashing while drink driving and being given time to get home and report the vehicle stolen.

On my 21st birthday (some years ago now) I was in a club and a former school "friend" was in there with his colleagues, who turned out to be policemen and if anyone was going to cause trouble it was them. They letched at the women and hassled their boyfriends because they knew they could get away with it.