A Kinda Half-Assed Apology From Ed, Sorta Thing

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Originally posted by mozg

Yes. Scylla jumps in at post 38 with this:

It continues to get crazy after that post, which was about a 7 year-old boy playing doctor with his 8 year-old daughter.

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Holy shit, what a disturbed, crazy fuck. That's a really messed up way to relate to one's family.

What is going on in the head of someone who finds it so important to be the big alpha dog boss of his family?

ETA: Oh my God, I actually clicked, and he's talking about how hot his daughter is!

What the Christ.

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A few things:

1) The way Scylla talks about how his daughter is beautiful is indistinguishable from the way my father has talked about my sisters since I can remember.

Note that he says she is beautiful, not hot. Beautiful and hot carry different connotations. Beautiful has a purity to it that hot does not. A baby can be beautiful, but a baby is not hot unless you are a pedophile or there's an infection.

2) Assuming for the moment that Scylla does not just remember that episode the way he feels like remembering it, and he did not just decide that the kid was, at 7, a predator (it does happen, and in ways that would make his account look pretty pedestrian), I can see situations where Scylla's reaction is justified.

IFF (if and only if) he knows he's dealing with someone who is physically 7 but older mentally.

And I don't see evidence for that in the story.

However.

That thread looks like it was tailor-made for someone to walk in and be very protective of his kids. And while I well understand how many people might feel horrified by that protection and how Scylla expressed it, ... if it keeps his kids safe and stable and he raises them to trust people -- but to be careful and to make educated decisions -- that's not something I'm interested in criticizing.

And in the interest of full disclosure:

[spoiler:3j7784b8]I've had similar things happen to me. I was 6, and the girls knew exactly what they were doing, and I got in trouble for "lying" about what happened.

Damn fucking right I'd have had no problem with my father telling them and their parents and anyone else interested in listening that if they ever did that again, they wouldn't get their hands back.

And the list of similar experiences, with me and with people I know, is longer than that. This is why the list of contact information that goes out to my (very) extended family every year generally has almost nothing about me. Most of those monsters are still alive.[/spoiler:3j7784b8]

Anyone who thinks my judgment is off here is welcome to say so, but I'm not exactly interested in debating it.

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Originally posted by iampunha

1) The way Scylla talks about how his daughter is beautiful is indistinguishable from the way my father has talked about my sisters since I can remember.

Note that he says she is beautiful, not hot. Beautiful and hot carry different connotations. Beautiful has a purity to it that hot does not. A baby can be beautiful, but a baby is not hot unless you are a pedophile or there's an infection.

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Everyone thinks their children are beautiful, even if (in fact) said children are hideous.

Scylla's making constant, repeated references to his daughter's sexual desirability, however. That's what we find disturbing.

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Originally posted by Scylla

That thread looks like it was tailor-made for someone to walk in and be very protective of his kids. And while I well understand how many people might feel horrified by that protection and how Scylla expressed it, ... if it keeps his kids safe and stable and he raises them to trust people -- but to be careful and to make educated decisions -- that's not something I'm interested in criticizing.

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Sorry, but inventing scenarios in which your children are endangered so that you can enjoy a fantasy about violent retaliation is fucked up. Protecting your kids is fine; using them as an excuse to indulge your screwed up violent tendencies is not.

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Originally posted by Excalibre

Well, in fairness, Colibri is in Panama, and in Panama, challenging the actions of a moderator on an internet message board is traditionally regarded as sufficient cause for a knife fight.

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I heard you had to hold the knives in your butt crack, or something?

Two quick points.

1-Ever since the day Sir Ed rode into The Pit and started the whole "non-Pit, pit thread" nonsense I started losing interest in the SDMB. GD and The Pit are normally the two only forums I visited on a regular basis, but once I saw that and knowing beforehand that getting "into the mix" with TPTB is an exercise in futility (and rather masochistic as well), I figured I had enough Crazy to deal with in my own life...so I was letting go of the place bit by bit. Then, this happened. Fits my needs to a "T" and I really couldn't give a damn what the latest clusterfuck in that place is.

Sincerely doubt they can piece it back together again.

2-Scylla. We had more than our share of ups and downs during which I think we pretty much used-up every insult know to man...and then some. I mean "butthurt" and "knife fights" were akin to saying "hello" to each other and it only went downhilll from there. Having said that, I just don't have it me to hold unto a grudge (and a pixelated one at that) to the point were it becomes a fixation. So, somewhere there in time, we sort of parted our own ways with -- at least on my part -- a measure of respect. So that's dead and gone.

However, I'll just say that even though I didn't participate (mostly because I think the ceasefire would have blown-up sky high again and its simply tedious) the thread where he spoke of his daughter and how he treats her. That left me...well, stunned doesn't even begin to tell the story. Seriously, I think Cavemen come off looking good by comparison; just too fuckin' bizarre.

Just hope the little girl turns out great anyway.

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Originally posted by EddyTeddyFreddy

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Originally posted by Liberal

I was relating what I recalled him saying.

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For what it's worth (not much, my memory's hit the shitter now I'm 60), I remember him making at least one comment to that effect, in a recent thread.

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That's bizarre--I thought he was a health nut: running marathons but occasionally having a small glass of scotch or wine or something.

Sorry Lib--I apologize. I though you were just taking a shot (which is why I was so surprised! :) ).

As to Ed's so-called 'apology', it's fake.

Yesterday he closed a Pit thread citing a naughty word. In his 'apology' he said he went ahead with his agenda against warnings not to, saw that he messed up, conceded everyone was right and he was wrong, and that he's sorry. But he still hasn't rescinded his naughty-word rule. Staff are still immune from criticism.

He lied. He's not sorry at all for his actions. He's sad people hate him, is all. It just points to the overall problem that staff are not listening to customers and that communication and understanding are as poor as ever. Until actions back up his words, he's nothing more than a mealy-mouthed con artist, speaking out of his anal orifice.

SDMB is driven by content, and content is provided by posters. I've noticed in the past couple of days that there is less content that attracts my attention. I don't want SDMB to fail. It's been a valuable resource over the years. But with so many of the people who made it a valuable resource leaving, having left, or posting there less, its value has lessened.

Maybe they should make another forum. They could call it The Disney Pit, where the new Pit rules apply; and The BBQ Pit can return to what it was. (I should live so long!) See which one gets more traffic.

Right now I'm thinking Zotti could be the next Republican Presidential candidate. He certainly knows how to 'stay the course'.

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Originally posted by Fenris

Sorry Lib--I apologize. I though you were just taking a shot (which is why I was so surprised! :).

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Two Hail Marys and one Our Father ought to do it.

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Originally posted by Johnny

As to Ed's so-called 'apology', it's fake.
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I don't quite agree; I think his apology was genuine, but it was the type of apology politicians give - not sorry for what they did, just sorry they got caught. If he doesn't change anything after apologizing like that, the apology means absolutely nothing. Well, not "absolutely nothing" - it means that he would lose whatever shreds of respect I might have left for him.

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Originally posted by featherlou

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Originally posted by Johnny

As to Ed's so-called 'apology', it's fake.
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I don't quite agree; I think his apology was genuine, but it was the type of apology politicians give - not sorry for what they did, just sorry they got caught. If he doesn't change anything after apologizing like that, the apology means absolutely nothing. Well, not "absolutely nothing" - it means that he would lose whatever shreds of respect I might have left for him.

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He does indeed appear to be changing. After Giraffe made an appeal, Ed modified his reprimand of QED this morning from this...

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I'm sure Lynn appreciates your speaking up on her behalf but remember this is ATMB, so no insults, please.

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...to this.

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I'm sure Lynn appreciates your sticking up for her, but you still can't call people wankers in ATMB.

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I'm sure you can appreciate the profound difference.

One has more wankers in it.

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Originally posted by featherlou

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Originally posted by Johnny

As to Ed's so-called 'apology', it's fake.
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I don't quite agree; I think his apology was genuine, but it was the type of apology politicians give - not sorry for what they did, just sorry they got caught. If he doesn't change anything after apologizing like that, the apology means absolutely nothing. Well, not "absolutely nothing" - it means that he would lose whatever shreds of respect I might have left for him.

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So he's not sorry he's pissing people off, that his communication is garbage or that people are leaving.

He's just looking at a less marketable product, so he's got to do damage control. He's got to look sorry. Even if he's faking it.

A pity he can't fake it.

(We got him all hot and bothered, he's been a wet blanket for a number of years, and he's being a royal tight ass about pitting mods.

No wonder he hates to see people called cunts.)

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Originally posted by iampunha

No wonder he hates to see people called cunts.

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My cunt takes serious umbrage at being compared to Ed Zotti. As a matter of fact, it just clamped shut and my husband is on his way to your house to get an explanation from you.

Sorry, this is a hijack, but I didn't know if it deserved its own thread...

fluiddruid is still modding at the dope? What'd I miss? link

She resigned from The Pit, but is still modding in The Game Room.

She's also modding the Giraffe board, along with TVeblen (Veb.)

Man, that clusterfuck over at the Auld Sod just keeps getting more clustered AND fucked, don't it? Just when I think that surely it must be ready to die down it gets up like a fucking Terminator and starts projectile shitting all over itself. Fighting ignorance must be awful hard on the brain cells or sumpin'...

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Originally posted by Myrnalene

She resigned from The Pit, but is still modding in The Game Room.

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Oh right. I forgot.

Where's the facepalm smiley?

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She's also modding the Giraffe board, along with TVeblen (Veb.)

Man, that clusterfuck over at the Auld Sod just keeps getting more clustered AND fucked, don't it? Just when I think that surely it must be ready to die down it gets up like a fucking Terminator and starts projectile shitting all over itself. Fighting ignorance must be awful hard on the brain cells or sumpin'...

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But it's weird, though. Some of the rants are almost as passive-aggressive as Ed himself.

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Your apology is hollow! Hollow, I tell you! I don't believe you mean a word of it! You suck. And your staff blows. You've pushed it way over the line, pal! But I'll still hang around in case you really really mean it this time.

The aptly-ycleped Stink Fish Pot over at the SD has just written this OP

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/sho ... st10920743

calling friend Liberal out for announcing his intention to cease posting there. Of course, if Lib responds to him, he's a hypocrite, and if he doesn't then HA HA HA we can kick his ass around the block a few dozen times.

I just reported the OP, so we'll see if they really wish to discourage board wars or just board wars they can't win.

I knew there would be a reason to have active SD posting privileges for a few more days or weeks.

He has an account over here! What a prick.

Hey, SFP, you want to man up and tell what you were trying to accomplish over there? You are free to [del:1k5k1rhu]pit[/del:1k5k1rhu] [del:1k5k1rhu]thunderfuck[/del:1k5k1rhu] [del:1k5k1rhu]dome[/del:1k5k1rhu] pit Liberal here, where he will actually respond. But I guess you only have enough balls to talk shit about someone when you know they won't.

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Originally posted by prr

The aptly-ycleped Stink Fish Pot over at the SD has just written this OP

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/sho ... st10920743

calling friend Liberal out for announcing his intention to cease posting there. Of course, if Lib responds to him, he's a hypocrite, and if he doesn't then HA HA HA we can kick his ass around the block a few dozen times.

I just reported the OP, so we'll see if they really wish to discourage board wars or just board wars they can't win.

I knew there would be a reason to have active SD posting privileges for a few more days or weeks.

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Gfactor of course did the right thing. Odd that Ed did not. Maybe they should put Gfactor in charge of the moderation and Ed can concentrate on planning and content.

That thread is locked. I reported it, think PRR also reported it.

Looks like Ed just blamed everything on a "tiny minority."

It's almost like spineless corporate managers who will admonish a whole group for a transgression committed by one ass, instead of just addressing the said ass.

Gfactor, who's proving to be an excellent mod just closed it before I could report it.

But not before Ed took a shot at Lib. (since I'm not sure what's ok to post, the gist is [b]Lissener says (paraphrased) "Ed, if your modding drove off Lib then that's one less complaint I have with it" and Ed sez (paraphrased) "Ain't that right?)

Way to stay above the fray and prevent Board Wars, Ed. :rolleyes:

Sour grapes (on their part).

I also found it amusing that Ed has now been reduced to finding his support (in this case from lissener, who obviously is a Liberal-hater even more than an Ed-hater) in people who mention in their posts "I, personally, think Ed's recent micromanagement is a bad thing."

Ed's response starts: "Now you're talking." That's some fan club you've got going there, Ed.

Heh! :P

If Ed's glad I left, I must have made the right decision. :)

(Thanks, guys! I got your backs too.)

That really pissed me off. From a guy who's had hissy-fits about board-wars, taking that back-handed shot was bullshit.

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Originally posted by Fenris

Gfactor, who's proving to be an excellent mod just closed it before I could report it.

But not before Ed took a shot at Lib. (since I'm not sure what's ok to post, the gist is Lissener says (paraphrased) "Ed, if your modding drove off Lib then that's one less complaint I have with it" and Ed sez (paraphrased) "Ain't that right?)

Way to stay above the fray and prevent Board Wars, Ed. :rolleyes:

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Don't look now, but member #813 is...... :mrgreen:



The hypocrisy, it burns!

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Originally posted by Jill

Scylla is a goddamn self-indulgent, arrogant, ass. He's one of the fucktards I'll be glad to be away from. Cunt.

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I hear you. What a total jerk he was. I hope he doesn't follow us here.

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Originally posted by Elmer Snerd

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Originally posted by Jill

Scylla is a goddamn self-indulgent, arrogant, ass. He's one of the fucktards I'll be glad to be away from. Cunt.

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I hear you. What a total jerk he was. I hope he doesn't follow us here.

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I had another thought. How would you even know you were away from him? What if he showed up here under a different name? You could be talking to him and you wouldn't even know it. That would be awkward, wouldn't it?

Not really.

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Originally posted by "Elmer Snerd":2bm9cmeq

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Originally posted by Jill

Scylla is a goddamn self-indulgent, arrogant, ass. He's one of the fucktards I'll be glad to be away from. Cunt.

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I hear you. What a total jerk he was. I hope he doesn't follow us here.

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I had another thought. How would you even know you were away from him? What if he showed up here under a different name? You could be talking to him and you wouldn't even know it. That would be awkward, wouldn't it?[/quote:2bm9cmeq]

Wouldn't it just, Alfie?

It would be funny if the tight-righty nitwits on the SD showed up here and started posting under each others' user-names. How could you tell Scylla from Shodan from Clothahump from Starving Artist without a scorecard? I know I couldn't. (Well SA maybe.) Blablabla dittohead talking points yadda yadda yadda war-mongering batshit-crazy Palin-worshipping etc. etc. etc..

Alfie? I'm sure I have no idea what you are talking about. Wait, I get it. You think I'm Scylla. That's crazy. I hate conservatives, and I don't doublespace every single line. I'm somebody else. Really.

Shodan would eventually give himself away.

Regards,
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Originally posted by Elmer Snerd

Alfie? I'm sure I have no idea what you are talking about. Wait, I get it. You think I'm Scylla. That's crazy. I hate conservatives, and I don't doublespace every single line. I'm somebody else. Really.

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Eh, I couldn't let an opportunity for a gotcha ya pass, even if it was a long shot. I apologize.

Unless you really are Scylla, in which case, I......I point my tsking finger at you!

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Alfie? I'm sure I have no idea what you are talking about. Wait, I get it. You think I'm Scylla. That's crazy. I hate conservatives, and I don't doublespace every single line. I'm somebody else. Really.

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Eh, I couldn't let an opportunity for a gotcha ya pass, even if it was a long shot. I apologize.

Unless you really are Scylla, in which case, I......I point my tsking finger at you!

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I really am Scylla. I couldn't resist the ruse.

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It would be funny if the tight-righty nitwits on the SD showed up here and started posting under each others' user-names. How could you tell Scylla from Shodan from Clothahump from Starving Artist without a scorecard? I know I couldn't. (Well SA maybe.) Blablabla dittohead talking points yadda yadda yadda war-mongering batshit-crazy Palin-worshipping etc. etc. etc..

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Um---Republican here. Would it be better if I went elsewhere? 'cause this "All Republicans suck" meme isn't all that exciting for me here or there.

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Originally posted by Elmer Snerd

I really am Scylla. I couldn't resist the ruse.

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But now I don't believe you. :cry:

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It would be funny if the tight-righty nitwits on the SD showed up here and started posting under each others' user-names. How could you tell Scylla from Shodan from Clothahump from Starving Artist without a scorecard? I know I couldn't. (Well SA maybe.) Blablabla dittohead talking points yadda yadda yadda war-mongering batshit-crazy Palin-worshipping etc. etc. etc..

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Um---Republican here. Would it be better if I went elsewhere? 'cause this "All Republicans suck" meme isn't all that exciting for me here or there.

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Not all of us support the above. I myself am a recovering Republican, and would re-embrace the party if they returned to their basic principles.

Wait. That sounds like it applies somewhere else, too.

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I really am Scylla. I couldn't resist the ruse.

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But now I don't believe you. :cry:

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Which is what makes it so cool. Now I have the chance to win your heart. We will become the best of friends. Later on when it is revealed that I really am Scylla in some undeniable fashion you will be filled with loathing at yourself for having gotten close to me. You won't even be able to blame me because I did tell you. Then my revenge will be complete against you. It's like that movie Scream where Sydney's boyfriend turns out to be the killer. That's my plan. Pretty cool, huh? It even goes a step further. There will be a tragic element in it because I will have been secretly hoping that you would like me even after you found out that I was Scylla. You're still liking me would be my redemption. However, when it turns out that you don't still like me, my hope turns to rage and the good person that was Elmer Snerd fades away, forever, and then I become Scylla except 50 times worse. Then it's kind of like Phantom of the Opera, or The Hunchback of Notre Dame, or the last Star Wars movie.

It should be pretty good, and I'm looking forward to the whole dramatic arc. Be sure and keep up your end.

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Originally posted by Fenris

Um---Republican here. Would it be better if I went elsewhere? 'cause this "All Republicans suck" meme isn't all that exciting for me here or there.

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Don't blame you a bit for feeling that way, but hoping you'll stick around; you talk sensibly, even when I don't agree with it.

Matter of fact, I'd love it if people would take the opportunity of a fresh start here to get past some of the entrenched us vs. them sniping that's stifled a lot of political arguments at the Dope. Shodan, for example -- just to pick one from Column A, and yes, I know there are choices enough to be had from Column B -- if Shodan could argue things out more, and do snarky one-liner put-downs less, I for one would pay more attention to his posts. I'd probably still wholeheartedly disagree with them, mind you, but I'd at least listen instead of gliding past them. And I mean that sincerely, not as a put-down of Shodan. There's an intelligent (if woefully misguided ;)) person under the snark, but too often the snark is all that he offers.

And yes, there are posters on the left to whom the same applies.

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'cause this "All Republicans suck" meme isn't all that exciting for me here or there.

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Yeah, though I'd substitute "conservative" for "Republican". In fact, that was the unstated point of the "Liberals sucking Obama's Dick" thread I started in response to the Reagan one. I'm hoping those of us to the right of center get a more level playing field than we did at the Dope.

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Which is what makes it so cool. Now I have the chance to win your heart. We will become the best of friends. Later on when it is revealed that I really am Scylla in some undeniable fashion you will be filled with loathing at yourself for having gotten close to me. You won't even be able to blame me because I did tell you. Then my revenge will be complete against you. It's like that movie Scream where Sydney's boyfriend turns out to be the killer. That's my plan. Pretty cool, huh? It even goes a step further. There will be a tragic element in it because I will have been secretly hoping that you would like me even after you found out that I was Scylla. You're still liking me would be my redemption. However, when it turns out that you don't still like me, my hope turns to rage and the good person that was Elmer Snerd fades away, forever, and then I become Scylla except 50 times worse. Then it's kind of like Phantom of the Opera, or The Hunchback of Notre Dame, or the last Star Wars movie.

It should be pretty good, and I'm looking forward to the whole dramatic arc. Be sure and keep up your end.

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Ah, yes. Long-winded, hopelessly self centered and too clever by half. That's our Scylla.

;)

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Um---Republican here. Would it be better if I went elsewhere? 'cause this "All Republicans suck" meme isn't all that exciting for me here or there.

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Hell no. Double hell no. Myself, I'm a Black Jewish Lesbian Republican. And I ain't goin' nowhere.

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Ah, yes. Long-winded, hopelessly self centered and too clever by half. That's our Scylla.

;)

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I'll write you a story. Love me. Pay attention to me. Worship me.

Something above reminded me of what is surely the ultimate cause of all this grief - money.

As Fast Eddie has said repeatedly, he now owns a piece of the action. His corporate overlords made it possible for him to make money off of the SDMB, and that must be what is driving most of his constant tinkering. Remember when you never saw the guy around the place except for the occasional official pronouncement? Money has made a Babbitt out of Ed Zotti. Sad.

The above seems pretty inarticulate. Perhaps someone else will take up the matter.



(Very side comment: man, that Scylla feller is one powerful dude. For awhile there he hijacked this thread without even posting in it . . . .)

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Um---Republican here. Would it be better if I went elsewhere? 'cause this "All Republicans suck" meme isn't all that exciting for me here or there.

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Matter of fact, I'd love it if people would take the opportunity of a fresh start here to get past some of the entrenched us vs. them sniping that's stifled a lot of political arguments at the Dope.

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That's kind of what I was hoping for as well. I like discussing politics, but frankly, I don't enjoy the screaming matches that GD often becomes.

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Originally posted by Elmer Snerd

I'll write you a story. Love me. Pay attention to me. Worship me.

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Get used to disappointment.

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I'll write you a story. Love me. Pay attention to me. Worship me.

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Get used to disappointment.

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Flirt with me?

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Originally posted by EddyTeddyFreddy

And yes, there are posters on the left to whom the same applies.

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Were you thinking of Luc by any chance? (Elucidator)

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Um---Republican here. Would it be better if I went elsewhere? 'cause this "All Republicans suck" meme isn't all that exciting for me here or there.

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Matter of fact, I'd love it if people would take the opportunity of a fresh start here to get past some of the entrenched us vs. them sniping that's stifled a lot of political arguments at the Dope.

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That's kind of what I was hoping for as well. I like discussing politics, but frankly, I don't enjoy the screaming matches that GD often becomes.

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My thinking as well. I'd love to see a wider range of political beliefs here, as well as more thoughtful discussions between different political camps. There are a lot of very articulate, wonderful people out there who don't hold my political beliefs. Stagnating with us vs. them is going to cut off a lot of potentially insightful, eye-opening and maybe even mind changing discussions.

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Flirt with me?

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I...thought I was?

<to everyone else> Look, please don't throw me out of the Thunderdome for good. I'm just so happy to be here with all you smart and bitchy people, I'm practically drunk with it. That's all it is, really. I promise never to transgress again.

Just see that you keep your wits about you in the future.

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Flirt with me?

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I...thought I was?

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You are. It's my fault. Pretending to be somebody impersonating Scylla while really being Scylla so I can get close to you in order to betray you to extract my revenge while secretly seeking your approval has me a little confused. Please forgive me.

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And yes, there are posters on the left to whom the same applies.

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Were you thinking of Luc by any chance? (Elucidator)

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Well at least 'luc never uses false equivalencies...

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Originally posted by Fenris

Um---Republican here. Would it be better if I went elsewhere? 'cause this "All Republicans suck" meme isn't all that exciting for me here or there.

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Please don't! I enjoy your posts. As for Republicans, I'm married to one and he's teh awesome.

Heh--thanks--sorry for the drama. I normally don't do that "Take my ball and leave" thing but I'd read like 3 "Republicans suk" comments across a few threads and they just really bugged me for some reason. Normally I try to ignore them.

Well, I try not to rant about it, but my personal philosophy is;

The Republicans are the right arm.
The Democrats are the left arm.
Of the same Monster.

If that makes you feel any better.

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You are. It's my fault. Pretending to be somebody impersonating Scylla while really being Scylla so I can get close to you in order to betray you to extract my revenge while secretly seeking your approval has me a little confused. Please forgive me.

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I'm the dude playin' the dude, disguised as another dude.
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Were you thinking of Luc by any chance? (Elucidator)

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Not him; I enjoy his kind of humor, and he does make some good points in between the jests. I'm thinking of the humorless ranters on the left who make me cringe and quietly wish they'd stop arguing for my point of view.

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My thinking as well. I'd love to see a wider range of political beliefs here, as well as more thoughtful discussions between different political camps. There are a lot of very articulate, wonderful people out there who don't hold my political beliefs. Stagnating with us vs. them is going to cut off a lot of potentially insightful, eye-opening and maybe even mind changing discussions.

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That's one of the reasons why we need to make sure that this place keeps attracting new blood. If its only the "same ol' posters" then we'll fall into the same routine over and over again. New people will throw out new ideas, and respond in ways we're not used to.

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My thinking as well. I'd love to see a wider range of political beliefs here, as well as more thoughtful discussions between different political camps. There are a lot of very articulate, wonderful people out there who don't hold my political beliefs. Stagnating with us vs. them is going to cut off a lot of potentially insightful, eye-opening and maybe even mind changing discussions.

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Well, I should be interesting to you. I am religious, Republican, and conservative (old definition). I believe in God, but don't take the Bible literally. I'm all for "family values", but my version includes same-sex families. I believe in governmental authority, but wish it would back the hell off and run the big picture not the day-to-day stuff. I voted for Bush, but had to really grit my teeth the last time I pushed the button for him*. I didn't get involved in political discussions at the SDMB much, but I will try to be more involved here.

*Seriously, Democrats, Kerry is the best you could do? Come on, give me something to work with here.

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That was funny!

You made a funny!

Put Ed in charge of planning and content!

Because he wasn't already!

You made a FUNNY!

I think all of you are funny with your oh-so-serious discussions of left-this and right-that when you are all so far right of centre that you can hardly see it from there.

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It would be funny if the tight-righty nitwits on the SD showed up here and started posting under each others' user-names. How could you tell Scylla from Shodan from Clothahump from Starving Artist without a scorecard? I know I couldn't. (Well SA maybe.) Blablabla dittohead talking points yadda yadda yadda war-mongering batshit-crazy Palin-worshipping etc. etc. etc..

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Um---Republican here. Would it be better if I went elsewhere? 'cause this "All Republicans suck" meme isn't all that exciting for me here or there.

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Did I write "all Republicans suck"? I did not. I specified "tight-righty nitwits on the SD" because their Party affiliation has very little to do with how or what, they argue. I apologize to all Republicans who feel that I mean them when I specify "tight-righty nitwits" and then go on to describe the sort of nitwit I mean, "Blablabla...etc", that I assume doesn't apply to them, other than in their consciences when they realize who they're in bed with. I'd be glad, Fenris, if you want to open up a thread about your political positions, because you're a reasonable and fair-minded fellow on many other points, and I'd be interested in reading your views on political subjects even if they don't mesh up with mine, which aren't exactly your "factory-ordered liberal claptrap" either. But arguing with people who can't even figure out their positions except if Rush and Palin are for it, it's got to be good? You don't like that any more than I do.

That's true PRR and I appreciate the response. My (admittedly) knee-jerk reaction came from watching the SDMB (to me) descend from a place where a politics could be argued vigorously, but in other fora, the politics be left behind to a place where (it seemed to me) posters were judged almost entirely on their politics and I didn't like the idea of it happening here. Sorry about the overreaction.

We like all kinds here, baby! Republicans. Democrats. Workers of the World. Whatever...

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That's true PRR and I appreciate the response. My (admittedly) knee-jerk reaction came from watching the SDMB (to me) descend from a place where a politics could be argued vigorously, but in other fora, the politics be left behind to a place where (it seemed to me) posters were judged almost entirely on their politics and I didn't like the idea of it happening here. Sorry about the overreaction.

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Not a problem, Fenris. Sorry about expressing myself in a way that let you think I was inviting your first response to it. I lost a longer version of this post that I don't have time to compose again, but I look forward to discussing political issues with my friends of all political persuasions here, of whom I count several already, without the predictable vituperation that prevailed on the SD.

For what it's worth, Fenris, this pro-science pro-union pro-tax bisexual atheist (I make most Democrats look right-wing) has never seen you type anything he'd ever associate with some of the "If it came from George W. Bush, it must be so" crowd from the other board.

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Matter of fact, I'd love it if people would take the opportunity of a fresh start here to get past some of the entrenched us vs. them sniping that's stifled a lot of political arguments at the Dope. Shodan, for example -- just to pick one from Column A, and yes, I know there are choices enough to be had from Column B -- if Shodan could argue things out more, and do snarky one-liner put-downs less, I for one would pay more attention to his posts. I'd probably still wholeheartedly disagree with them, mind you, but I'd at least listen instead of gliding past them. And I mean that sincerely, not as a put-down of Shodan. There's an intelligent (if woefully misguided ;)) person under the snark, but too often the snark is all that he offers.

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No offense intended (and none taken, really) but I don't think the idea that I post mostly one-liners is justified.

I have no idea how to do it, but I bet that if you did an analysis of my posts elsewhere, you would not find them significantly shorter, on average, than those with a comparable level of activity.

I certainly get off my share of one-liners, but frankly, some of the Usual Suspects deserve no more. Because fairly often, I will post eight paragraphs with three cites, and have it either ignored, or see nothing but something on the level of "Clinton was impeached for a blowjob!" or something similar.

And not to be too snarky, but read most of the posts immediately before this one, and compare their lengths with mine.

IYSWIM.

Regards,
Shodan

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Heh--thanks--sorry for the drama. I normally don't do that "Take my ball and leave" thing but I'd read like 3 "Republicans suk" comments across a few threads and they just really bugged me for some reason. Normally I try to ignore them.

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Well you got Silenus, Sarahfeena and myself at least that are or were Republicans until recently. You've got company.

Hey! Shodan! Glad to see you finally showed up. It just doesn't feel like home without ya.

Regards, (in the nice way)
Green Bean

Shodan! Yes!!!

I gotta apologize to you for disrespecting you so much lately over there. I think maybe Obama (blessed be his name) came between us. Sorry about that. I think I have room to love you both.

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I certainly get off my share of one-liners, but frankly, some of the Usual Suspects deserve no more.

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You know, poisoning the well with this "Usual Suspects" shit is childish.

I don't think it's incumbent upon you to stop it, but as long as we're discussing what we want the new community to be like, I hope everyone will agree not to dignify bullshit like that and continue to allow it to displace actual discussion by adults.

We've been putting up with your bullshit. Why not someone else's?

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We've been putting up with your bullshit. Why not someone else's?

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You're a very negative, angry person, who is clinging to a grudge from years ago.

I feel sorry for you, Liberal. I would have been very happy to come back and discover you had become a happier person.

You know, the least you two could do is hold off on the match until the rest of us have finished our coffee and had a chance to put our bets down.

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I feel sorry for you, Liberal. I would have been very happy to come back and discover you had become a happier person.

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He hasn't had his morning bacon yet.

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He hasn't had his morning bacon yet.

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Heh--thanks--sorry for the drama. I normally don't do that "Take my ball and leave" thing but I'd read like 3 "Republicans suk" comments across a few threads and they just really bugged me for some reason. Normally I try to ignore them.

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Well you got Silenus, Sarahfeena and myself at least that are or were Republicans until recently. You've got company.

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Yes, I'm more or less a Republican. More these days because where I live, the Democrats are socialists and the Republicans are liberals. I'm personally fiscally conservative and I expect my elected officials to be equally so with my tax dollars. I'm socially liberal in the sense that I don't really care what anyone else does, as long as it's not hurting anyone else, and I expect my fellow citizens to treat each other with respect.

I'm seriously hoping that we can start this board out with thoughtful discussions that don't immediately devolve into partisan bickering. As much as I like Shodan, I don't like to see him using the term "usual suspects" in his 3rd post. On the other hand, prr started it with his "tighty righty" thing. Dude, every time you say that it makes me want to stomp on your little lizard head. I was all touched that you named me as one of your friends, and then I come over here and you insult me. Sure, you can say that you didn't mean me, but it's really pretty hard to figure out your criteria for who falls in that category. I'm on the right, so it seems I qualify.

Anyway, can't we all just try to get along for maybe like a month or so? I've been trying to get real-life friends to join this place, because we desperately need non-SDMB blood. Don't chase them away.

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I'm seriously hoping that we can start this board out with thoughtful discussions that don't immediately devolve into partisan bickering.

< snip >

Anyway, can't we all just try to get along for maybe like a month or so? I've been trying to get real-life friends to join this place, because we desperately need non-SDMB blood. Don't chase them away.

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+1

This.

AOL/Me Too!

;)

Sarah--Sorry, you don't qualify for the tighty-righty club, which is basically mean-spirited and reflexive partisan namecalling, with zero sense of nuance and total blindness to shades of gray. It's just tedious to discuss anything at all with partisans of any stripe, whereas you're always at least willing to articulate your reasoning process and to explain your meaning on request in a way that assumes I'm not necessarily your worst enemy on the planet. If we ultimately disagree on fundmental principles, I'm at least satisfied on clearing up just which principles are involved in each discussion, and not descend to attacking each other's humanity, morality, and honesty. I'm glad to discuss politics with anyone willing to concede that there is the possibility that I could be right on some issues, which I'll willingly concede to anyone coming from a different place on the spectrum from me. Shodan, frankly, argues for victory far more often than he does for clarity, very rarely achieving either, and I'm unwilling to engage in that sort of endless, pointless personal chest-thumping for even as long as I have done it in the past on SD.

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He hasn't had his morning bacon yet.

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Bacon is gross.

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I'm seriously hoping that we can start this board out with thoughtful discussions that don't immediately devolve into partisan bickering. As much as I like Shodan, I don't like to see him using the term "usual suspects" in his 3rd post. On the other hand, prr started it with his "tighty righty" thing. Dude, every time you say that it makes me want to stomp on your little lizard head.

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See, I am with you 100% on this. I didn't participate in many political threads at the other place because they were always derailed by these kinds of things. Someone would say something stupid and inflammatory, and it was, I guess, incumbent upon everyone else to ignore it. And usually someone would give into temptation and respond.

This "usual suspects" schtick REALLY has no place in serious discussions. Same for "tighty righties" and whatever other stupid slurs people use. I think that, if a poster thinks that another person's viewpoints can be dismissed because they're a "tighty righty" or just another one of "the usual suspects", then they have every right not to respond. I don't think it should be acceptable to respond with insults -- even ones like these that were acceptable at The Other Place.

If folks want a more convivial attitude, it makes sense to discourage the root of the problem. Everyone's all huggy and shit right now, but it's not going to last, and besides: "everyone smile and be cool when people call you a tighty righty" is not really a solution anyway. All of the stuff people say that essentially boils down to "this is why your post is not even worth reading" is aggravating and ensures that any useful conversation is derailed. If someone else's post isn't worth reading, just don't read it.

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We like all kinds here, baby! Republicans. Democrats. Workers of the World. Whatever...

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Kidding!

Actually, the angriest, most frustrating political debates I ever got in over there were with a few of my fellow Democrats, particularly during the primaries.

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Yes, I'm more or less a Republican. More these days because where I live, the Democrats are socialists and the Republicans are liberals. I'm personally fiscally conservative and I expect my elected officials to be equally so with my tax dollars. I'm socially liberal in the sense that I don't really care what anyone else does, as long as it's not hurting anyone else, and I expect my fellow citizens to treat each other with respect.

I'm seriously hoping that we can start this board out with thoughtful discussions that don't immediately devolve into partisan bickering. As much as I like Shodan, I don't like to see him using the term "usual suspects" in his 3rd post. On the other hand, prr started it with his "tighty righty" thing. Dude, every time you say that it makes me want to stomp on your little lizard head. I was all touched that you named me as one of your friends, and then I come over here and you insult me. Sure, you can say that you didn't mean me, but it's really pretty hard to figure out your criteria for who falls in that category. I'm on the right, so it seems I qualify.

Anyway, can't we all just try to get along for maybe like a month or so? I've been trying to get real-life friends to join this place, because we desperately need non-SDMB blood. Don't chase them away.

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I agree very much. I like having Shodan around. Maybe it is as simple as with him around posters like yourself, Fenris, Oakminster and myself look very moderate overall. Maybe it is the same reason I enjoy having Excalibre around in that provacative intelligent posters make message boards interesting. If the board was filled with nothing but posters like Whynot and Myself they would be very civil and accomodating but also more boring. I'm sure we would have fun in the The Guggenheim and Jibba Jabba but I like the give and take of the entire spectrum of domebo and the dope.

I also think your last line is well worth noting. I bolded it in agreement.

Jim

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I certainly get off my share of one-liners, but frankly, some of the Usual Suspects deserve no more.

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You know, poisoning the well with this "Usual Suspects" shit is childish.

I don't think it's incumbent upon you to stop it, but as long as we're discussing what we want the new community to be like, I hope everyone will agree not to dignify bullshit like that and continue to allow it to displace actual discussion by adults.

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Given your current status on the SDMB, and the reason for it, I hope you don't mind if I make up my own mind on what behavior is appropriate to adults.

You poopy doo-doo head.

Regards,
Shodan

You better watch out. I called Oakminster a poopy-head in the other thread and he dipped my pigtails in the inkwell.

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You poopy doo-doo head.

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Nuh-uh!

I'm gonna e-mail your post to Ed, and he's going to send Skippy over to make up so many new rules regarding your activity here (without telling you about any of them) that you're going to wish you'd never learned what a poopy doo-doo head is!

(ETA: It would be good if I could spell on occasion.)

Let's posit a partisan (forget which kind for now) making an egregious error of historical fact in a heated post--a key question is the tone he or she is likely to strike in dealing with the error. I am pretty sure that many partisans of both stripes would simply say, "My bad, sorry, got carried away, should have caught that, I fucked up" and so on, but some would seek to minimize it, point out how their opponents make many more serious errors, nitpick the grammar of the person who pointed out his or her error, and generally argue for victory more than for clarity. If I have done so in the past, then I was wrong and I apologize for it. But the people I'm castigating here as tighty-righties do this, not as an aberration but as their entire modus operandi, and it's tedious as hell to deal with and its dishonesty is exhausting. I thank those of you who strive to do this as rarely as possible, and who argue, from whatever position, with a goal of explaining why you think as you do and of understanding why others take the position they do.

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If the board was filled with nothing but posters like Whynot and Myself they would be very civil and accomodating but also more boring.
Jim

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Indeed, sir, I quite agree with your post, and I should like to subscribe to your periodical. More tea?

*snore*

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Given your current status on the SDMB, and the reason for it, I hope you don't mind if I make up my own mind on what behavior is appropriate to adults.

You poopy doo-doo head.

Regards,
Shodan

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I guarantee you don't know the reason for my status at the SDMB. Beyond that, let's just say I'm far from the only one who had hoped you wouldn't join this new board, judging by people's posts.

But hey, you did it again. You've come up with a slim excuse to dismiss my opinion rather than addressing it like an adult. This is a pattern for you. Congratulations. It will help make sure you never, ever have to actually examine your own views on anything. Yay for intellectual cowardice!

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If the board was filled with nothing but posters like Whynot and Myself they would be very civil and accomodating but also more boring.
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Indeed, sir, I quite agree with your post, and I should like to subscribe to your periodical. More tea?

*snore*

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:D

May I remind all of you that we have a forum specifically for politics now so you Americans don't have to bore the everloving piss out of the rest of us with your constant and incredibly tedious namecalling?

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Sarah--Sorry, you don't qualify for the tighty-righty club, which is basically mean-spirited and reflexive partisan namecalling, with zero sense of nuance and total blindness to shades of gray. It's just tedious to discuss anything at all with partisans of any stripe, whereas you're always at least willing to articulate your reasoning process and to explain your meaning on request in a way that assumes I'm not necessarily your worst enemy on the planet. If we ultimately disagree on fundmental principles, I'm at least satisfied on clearing up just which principles are involved in each discussion, and not descend to attacking each other's humanity, morality, and honesty. I'm glad to discuss politics with anyone willing to concede that there is the possibility that I could be right on some issues, which I'll willingly concede to anyone coming from a different place on the spectrum from me. Shodan, frankly, argues for victory far more often than he does for clarity, very rarely achieving either, and I'm unwilling to engage in that sort of endless, pointless personal chest-thumping for even as long as I have done it in the past on SD.

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You are not even close to my worst enemy on the planet. Barack Obama is, obviously.* The thing is, there are PLENTY of libs on the SDMB who do the exact same thing you are describing here, and I never see you complain about them. This is what I mean when I say partisan bickering.





*Kidding.

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You are not even close to my worst enemy on the planet. Barack Obama is, obviously.*

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You fucking monster. HOW DARE YOU, WHY DO YOU HATE ALL BLACK PEOPLE EVERYWHERE

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The thing is, there are PLENTY of libs on the SDMB who do the exact same thing you are describing here, and I never see you complain about them. This is what I mean when I say partisan bickering.

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Yes.

P.S.: If you wish to continue being popular, don't make a habit out of pointing it out. You don't get any points from either side if you call out the dumb, useless partisan fucks on both sides. Instead, both sides hate you equally. :: sigh ::

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May I remind all of you that we have a forum specifically for politics now so you Americans don't have to bore the everloving piss out of the rest of us with your constant and incredibly tedious namecalling?

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It's not just the political element. It's that the board name is different, but the history isn't.

It's like having people who go from pub to pub arguing for everyone else's benefit (or something).

And then half the pub goes somewhere else -- for reasons related or not, or just convenient -- and the same people come to the new pub and start it over again.

And hey, from their perspective, we don't *have* to be reading this thread. Plus, they can do whatever the hell they want to as long as they don't get banned.

"Free country" arguments aside, it's still tedious and childish no matter who starts it, and the hell of it is that the people involved have way too much ego dedicated to always coming back with something clever (or just petty) to just ... stop.

I enjoy discussion. I enjoy a good rant. I enjoy tit-for-tats and such.

But going back-and-forth because it's the status quo is just tiresome. And having it infect an innocent thread is even more tiresome.

I've called out folks on both sides for being idiots. Course, I doubt that I'm a "popular" poster - I used to be pretty prolific, but have really slacked off of posting in the past couple of years. The Iraq invasion really did it - I got really very tired of being called a terrorist sympathizer and traitor. (Of course now they don't get to say 'fuck you, cunt' to me, I'll sleep better).

I'm willing to let folks re-invent themselves here. Hell, I'd even give old Milosarrian a pass (I think he stopped posting right after he posted a "Saddam's shooting those WMD's he didn't have at us" thread, where within a few posts it was clear that, well, he was wrong.)

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Yes.

P.S.: If you wish to continue being popular, don't make a habit out of pointing it out. You don't get any points from either side if you call out the dumb, useless partisan fucks on both sides. Instead, both sides hate you equally. :: sigh :: [/quote:t1arg64d]Oh, well...being popular isn't my motivator. Normally, I don't say much about it because I think it's tedious and not the way I want to spend my online time. But considering that we're starting up a new board here, I thought it might actually do some good to say something about it.

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But considering that we're starting up a new board here, I thought it might actually do some good to say something about it.

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I personally would really like there to be a rule against certain kinds of contentless posting in Capitol Hill. I think it would probably help both with keeping tempers in check (probably keeping the whole board more pleasant) because it's easier for you to smile and agree to disagree with me if I don't make you mad by calling you a "rightard", and it would help keep threads on track and therefore more interesting. Most other online forums that I've visited that are oriented towards serious discussion have rules like this; I think it was sort of stupid that the SDMB admins never did, especially given how often people complained about rancor and sniping.

Let's posit a partisan (forget which kind for now) making an egregious error of historical fact in a heated post--a key question is the tone he or she is likely to strike in dealing with the error. I am pretty sure that many partisans of both stripes would simply say, "My bad, sorry, got carried away, should have caught that, I fucked up" and so on, but some would seek to minimize it, point out how their opponents make many more serious errors, nitpick the grammar of the person who pointed out his or her error, and generally argue for victory more than for clarity. If I have done so in the past, then I was wrong and I apologize for it. But the people I'm castigating here as tighty-righties do this, not as an aberration but as their entire modus operandi, and it's tedious as hell to deal with and its dishonesty is exhausting. I thank those of you who strive to do this as rarely as possible, and who argue, from whatever position, with a goal of explaining why you think as you do and of understanding why others take the position they do.

Sorry to butt in with a technical question. Is the following correct?
For years, due to a design limitation of the third-party board software we use, searches would often bring board operation to a halt. in regards to the SDMB. I've heard both agreement and disagreement about it. (This is from Ed's latest post in ATMB over there).

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It occurs to me that this might constitute bringing over a feud from another board. accordingly, I'll assume you have learned something, and drop it.

Regards,
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Suuuuuuure I don't. ;)

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Shodan, do you realize that it's kind of pathetic that you spend so much of your time coming up with excuses not to respond to other posters in a serious, respectful way? I mean, you're a pretty prolific poster at the SDMB, and you have been for years, and you're well known specifically for your schtick in which you refuse to reply to people's arguments because those people are "the usual suspects".

I mean, think about it: for years now, you have spent probably hours every day finding excuses to dismiss other people's opinions in order to avoid your having to actually consider them. Think about that, dude. It's not just the intellectual cowardice it shows to spend so much time trying to find excuses not to consider other viewpoints. It's also the fact that all you have to show for it after all that rationalization is hundreds and hundreds of conversations with other people about how little you respect them.

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Shodan, do you realize that it's kind of pathetic that you spend so much of your time coming up with excuses not to respond to other posters in a serious, respectful way?

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For the benefit of those of us who got tired of sniping and bitterness on the other board and would like at least another few hours of thinking it might not spread like Internet kudzu over here, read this (again, if necessary) and tell me, do, why you're not willing to drop it and allow for the possibility that people can actually begin again:

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Bolding mine. Bold action. Honorable action.

Are you able to match it?

This is a new place. If we try hard, we can avoid most of what made the old one a pain, if only for an hour. (Maybe more. Only the future knows for sure.)

Please? Hell, insult me in your reply if you need an out:) Or don't even answer the question, just snipe, but then stop after you hit submit, if that's how you need to save face.

It just doesn't have to be all the old bickering all the time. (Not even in this subforum.)

This is one of my main issues with Shodan's posts. I get it that you don't respect my views much, I get it that you think you have long sine previously refuted any content I may claim to post, I get it that you feel your mind is made up on most political issues and you feel free to dispense with any substantive arguing--so why keep repeating yourself so much? I GET IT. Can we move on, please? If you have nothing to offer other than mockery and disdain, could you try to keep it to yourself once in a great while? Thanks ever so much.

Pun, I'm all for civility, but Excalibre has demonstrated from his first post here that he intends to be an ornery jackass. His very first post to me was some bullshit about some perceived drama (a perception shared by no one else) — a carry-over from his ankle nipping Pit days. Go ahead. Click his profile, and search his posts. I've tried on at least two occasions to mollify him with friendly banter, but he ignores that. He's interested only in conflict and tension. He's doing the same with Shodan before your very eyes. He's in the Polling forum drumming up imaginary shit and attributing it to me. I'm all for your endeavor to calm people down, but you need to aim at the assholes rather than Napalming the whole place.

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This is one of my main issues with Shodan's posts. I get it that you don't respect my views much, I get it that you think you have long sine previously refuted any content I may claim to post, I get it that you feel your mind is made up on most political issues and you feel free to dispense with any substantive arguing--so why keep repeating yourself so much? I GET IT. Can we move on, please? If you have nothing to offer other than mockery and disdain, could you try to keep it to yourself once in a great while? Thanks ever so much.

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So don't respond to my posts.

This is nothing more than a whine that I don't allow you to get in the last word, and choose instead to make fun of your nonsense. As you noticed, any substance you may have included has long since been refuted. But complaining that all you get after the substantive discussion is done is me having a great deal of fun at your expense? Boo hoo.

It's like your foolishness about how my sign off should get me warned because sometimes I mean it as "fuck you". Either you don't understand sarcasm, in which case you're an idiot, or you do, in which case you are a troll. And now you are complaining because stupidity and/or trolling gets nothing back from me but derision. Get back under the bridge, or don't be such a moron, or both.

Regards,
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Pun, I'm all for civility, but Excalibre has demonstrated from his first post here that he intends to be an ornery jackass. .... He's interested only in conflict and tension. He's doing the same with Shodan before your very eyes.

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I agree. I really don't remember much about him from the SDMB, but most of what I've seen from him here, he just wants to stir shit up.

DNFTT

(Especially you, 'pun! ;) )

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This is one of my main issues with Shodan's posts. I get it that you don't respect my views much, I get it that you think you have long sine previously refuted any content I may claim to post, I get it that you feel your mind is made up on most political issues and you feel free to dispense with any substantive arguing--so why keep repeating yourself so much? I GET IT. Can we move on, please? If you have nothing to offer other than mockery and disdain, could you try to keep it to yourself once in a great while? Thanks ever so much.

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So don't respond to my posts.

This is nothing more than a whine that I don't allow you to get in the last word, and choose instead to make fun of your nonsense. As you noticed, any substance you may have included has long since been refuted. But complaining that all you get after the substantive discussion is done is me having a great deal of fun at your expense? Boo hoo.

It's like your foolishness about how my sign off should get me warned because sometimes I mean it as "fuck you". Either you don't understand sarcasm, in which case you're an idiot, or you do, in which case you are a troll. And now you are complaining because stupidity and/or trolling gets nothing back from me but derision. Get back under the bridge, or don't be such a moron, or both.

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Excellent example of the kind of vituperous, mean-spirited, hateful and content-free post that I was trying to discuss.

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For the benefit of those of us who got tired of sniping and bitterness on the other board and would like at least another few hours of thinking it might not spread like Internet kudzu over here, read this (again, if necessary) and tell me, do, why you're not willing to drop it and allow for the possibility that people can actually begin again:

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It occurs to me that this might constitute bringing over a feud from another board. accordingly, I'll assume you have learned something, and drop it.

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Pun, I'm all for civility, but Excalibre has demonstrated from his first post here that he intends to be an ornery jackass.

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You sure didn't pause in your desire to start insulting me again, Liberal!

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His very first post to me was some bullshit about some perceived drama (a perception shared by no one else) — a carry-over from his ankle nipping Pit days.

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Look, dude, you decided to turn a nothing issue (changing the wording of that poll question) into a big, Liberal-oriented dramafest. Jesus, it's not even that big of a deal. You may not be able to laugh at your own shortcomings, but do you really want to be the guy that makes everyone else walk on eggshells? You didn't have to go to unrelated threads and start insulting me. You're continuing to follow me around shrieking insults, just like you did for years to me and EddyTeddyFreddy (of all people!) back at The Other Place.

Why not let this shit go? And when you do something a little goofy like your overreaction in the poll thread, why can't we all chuckle a little and move on? That's what other people do, Liberal. You don't have to look for every chance you can to be hateful and negative.

For what it's worth, I didn't want to start some huge, negative, mean-spirited fight with you, Liberal. I thought we could laugh at ourselves a little now that it's been, what, two years since we talked? You talk a lot about kindness and decency and stuff like that -- get in touch with me when you want to actually try those things out.

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Pun, I'm all for civility, but Excalibre has demonstrated from his first post here that he intends to be an ornery jackass.

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Wanted to him a chance just as I gave Ed a chance.

And to elaborate: There's just no chance at all that I could be objecting to sig lines in general, and to specific sig lines that the poster has designated are intended to convey "fuck you," which is not helpful to most rational discussions when offered on a wholesale basis, is there? I simply MUST be either an idiot or a troll, beause other possibilities might lead to a discussion of my concerns, or otherwise validate them. I don't find you contributing much to most discussions, other than a general sense of animosity and ill-will, mostly for your own satisfation. That may do a lot for you, but it does nothing for me and, as far as I can tell, for the level of discourse around here for anyone but you. Your posts are self-indulgent and, usually, at best diversionary from whatever the thrust of most conversations are about. I'd like to encourage your re-consideration of the role you are playing on a discussion board, and maybe bring the quality of that discussion up a bit.

::sob::

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There, there; I'm sure it will be okay.

Look what you guys have done - you made Sarafeena cry. I hope you're happy now.

I've lost track now. Who is mad at who? Why?

Or is this just a bunch of you trying to prove my point about how some of you keep things interesting?

Sarah--Did you just call me a son of a bitch?

(I know you didn't--I don't know what you did mean by "sob", but I'm pretty sure that wasn't it.)

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...For what it's worth, I didn't want to start some huge, negative, mean-spirited fight with you, Liberal. I thought we could laugh at ourselves a little now that it's been, what, two years since we talked? You talk a lot about kindness and decency and stuff like that -- get in touch with me when you want to actually try those things out.

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Since you appear not to have gotten it from my response to your initial 'greeting' I think it bears repeating. I honestly don't remember much at all about you from the Dope, but the past few days of reading your smug, condescending, passive-aggressive piles of crap, have told me pretty much all I need to know. You. Are. An. ASS.

I don't know or care who the fuck you think you are, but what I *do* want to know is who died and made you King? What's with all this psychobabble you started with me from day one and now continue to do with other posters who don't kowtow to your Thunderbolts From Up Above? Seriously dude, get the fuck over yourself and let people be.

I can assure you that neither Hentor nor Lib need any help from me when it comes to standing up for themselves*, but, as last time, that is not why I'm stepping in. Simply doing it to tell you, that based on what I've seen of your "analysis" of other posters merit or worth, you'd be a lot better at it if you practiced standing in front of a mirror. Because, quite frankly, you're coming off as exactly the opposite of what I'm sure you wish to impress upon us. Unless of course, being a snippy little bitch was your aim.

If so, congrats. You're all that and a bag of chips.

*In fact, as opposed to last time with Hentor, I won't even bother to explain to you why it is that I am willing to stand up for Lib. You're obviously too goddamn self-absorbed to comprehend any judgment that differs from your own. A forum of One would be just the ticket for someone such as yourself.

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Sarah--Did you just call me a son of a bitch?

(I know you didn't--I don't know what you did mean by "sob", but I'm pretty sure that wasn't it.)

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See featherlou's post right under mine.

(Thanks, featherlou...I'll be fine, I'm sure. :cry: )

Deleted so as not to FTT.

Regards,
Shodan

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If so, congrats. You're all that and a bag of chips.

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:D I really am.

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It's like your foolishness about how my sign off should get me warned because sometimes I mean it as "fuck you". Either you don't understand sarcasm, in which case you're an idiot, or you do, in which case you are a troll. And now you are complaining because stupidity and/or trolling gets nothing back from me but derision. Get back under the bridge, or don't be such a moron, or both.

Regards,
Shodan

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Dude, it's only when your "Regards" has been meant as a lightly veiled "Fuck You" that I've ever really appreciated your posts.

Damn, I guess I missed that a little.

Regards,
Nate

Remember when this thread was about how much we all hated Ed? Good times. Hell, I'm even pining for the days when it was about how much we all hated Scylla.

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I've lost track now. Who is mad at who? Why?

Or is this just a bunch of you trying to prove my point about how some of you keep things interesting?

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John is mad at Suzie because Jacob dated Susie's mother while John's father was still seeing Jessi with an I. But Clarence had already told Angie that Margot wasn't Wendy's sister, which matters because Jacob's aunt Rhonda and Wendy's sister Padma were supposedly lesbian lovers. Except that Rhonda was a man and Padma was halfway finished switching, none of which either of them discovered because they were saving themselves for marriage. It wasn't until gay marriage was struck down in Idaho that they moved to Massachusetts, where their bisexual minister, Hans, sexually propositioned both of them, but separately. When Rhonda found out through her Rabbi, Abe, who is Hans's down-low lover, she went apeshit and spilled all the beans to Angie. That's when Angie exploded on Clarence, who ran sobbing to Jessi with an I. She told John's father that she has herpes, and he told Jacob, who told Susie's mother. Suzie doesn't yet know.

You've been watching "All My Children" again haven't you.

Not all of them. We lost your youngest in the mall. Sorry about that.

So Scylla is the half-son of Liberal's wife's hairdresser's second cousin twice removed on Excalibre's side?

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Since you appear not to have gotten it from my response to your initial 'greeting' I think it bears repeating. I honestly don't remember much at all about you from the Dope, but the past few days of reading your smug, condescending, passive-aggressive piles of crap, have told me pretty much all I need to know. You. Are. An. ASS.

I don't know or care who the fuck you think you are, but what I *do* want to know is who died and made you King? What's with all this psychobabble you started with me from day one and now continue to do with other posters who don't kowtow to your Thunderbolts From Up Above? Seriously dude, get the fuck over yourself and let people be.

I can assure you that neither Hentor nor Lib need any help from me when it comes to standing up for themselves*, but, as last time, that is not why I'm stepping in. Simply doing it to tell you, that based on what I've seen of your "analysis" of other posters merit or worth, you'd be a lot better at it if you practiced standing in front of a mirror. Because, quite frankly, you're coming off as exactly the opposite of what I'm sure you wish to impress upon us. Unless of course, being a snippy little bitch was your aim.

If so, congrats. You're all that and a bag of chips.

*In fact, as opposed to last time with Hentor, I won't even bother to explain to you why it is that I am willing to stand up for Lib. You're obviously too goddamn self-absorbed to comprehend any judgment that differs from your own. A forum of One would be just the ticket for someone such as yourself.

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Excalibre very much does not need my assistance in standing up for himself but I must confess I do not understand all the ire. I have always found him to be unfailingly honest and uncompromising in his principles. I know if I ask his opinion what I will get will be the unvarnished truth even if he knows I won't like it. I respect that. Diplomacy has its place but it shouldn't disable honesty.

As for his not letting people be; when did we start doing that around here?

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I've lost track now. Who is mad at who? Why?

Or is this just a bunch of you trying to prove my point about how some of you keep things interesting?

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John is mad at Suzie because Jacob dated Susie's mother while John's father was still seeing Jessi with an I. But Clarence had already told Angie that Margot wasn't Wendy's sister, which matters because Jacob's aunt Rhonda and Wendy's sister Padma were supposedly lesbian lovers. Except that Rhonda was a man and Padma was halfway finished switching, none of which either of them discovered because they were saving themselves for marriage. It wasn't until gay marriage was struck down in Idaho that they moved to Massachusetts, where their bisexual minister, Hans, sexually propositioned both of them, but separately. When Rhonda found out through her Rabbi, Abe, who is Hans's down-low lover, she went apeshit and spilled all the beans to Angie. That's when Angie exploded on Clarence, who ran sobbing to Jessi with an I. She told John's father that she has herpes, and he told Jacob, who told Susie's mother. Suzie doesn't yet know.

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That clears it up thank you. :D

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Remember when this thread was about how much we all hated Ed? Good times. Hell, I'm even pining for the days when it was about how much we all hated Scylla.

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Yea, good to know we don't have to wait a long time to get folks fueding.

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I've lost track now. Who is mad at who? Why?

Or is this just a bunch of you trying to prove my point about how some of you keep things interesting?

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John is mad at Suzie because Jacob dated Susie's mother while John's father was still seeing Jessi with an I. But Clarence had already told Angie that Margot wasn't Wendy's sister, which matters because Jacob's aunt Rhonda and Wendy's sister Padma were supposedly lesbian lovers. Except that Rhonda was a man and Padma was halfway finished switching, none of which either of them discovered because they were saving themselves for marriage. It wasn't until gay marriage was struck down in Idaho that they moved to Massachusetts, where their bisexual minister, Hans, sexually propositioned both of them, but separately. When Rhonda found out through her Rabbi, Abe, who is Hans's down-low lover, she went apeshit and spilled all the beans to Angie. That's when Angie exploded on Clarence, who ran sobbing to Jessi with an I. She told John's father that she has herpes, and he told Jacob, who told Susie's mother. Suzie doesn't yet know.

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That clears it up thank you. :D[/quote:12b1b9ya]
Confused? You won't be after this week's episode of "Soap." (for all the old farts in the crowd)

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Not all of them. We lost your youngest in the mall. Sorry about that.

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'S ok. They weren't really all mine anyway, which is why I put 'em in quote marks.

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Excalibre very much does not need my assistance in standing up for himself but I must confess I do not understand all the ire. I have always found him to be unfailingly honest and uncompromising in his principles.

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Y'know who else was uncompromising in his principles? Hitler, that's who.


As long as the thread is drifting in an unhelpful direction, might as well give it a push...

Wait...wait. Are "Susie" and "Suzie" two different people?

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Y'know who else was uncompromising in his principles? Hitler, that's who.


As long as the thread is drifting in an unhelpful direction, might as well give it a push...

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Yeah, I consider him basically my idol. I mean, aside from the Jew thing, I don't think that was necessary.

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Remember when this thread was about how much we all hated Ed? Good times. Hell, I'm even pining for the days when it was about how much we all hated Scylla.

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Luxury! We used to dream of... No, it's OK, I'll get my coat. :D

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I've lost track now. Who is mad at who? Why?

Or is this just a bunch of you trying to prove my point about how some of you keep things interesting?

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John is mad at Suzie because Jacob dated Susie's mother while John's father was still seeing Jessi with an I. But Clarence had already told Angie that Margot wasn't Wendy's sister, which matters because Jacob's aunt Rhonda and Wendy's sister Padma were supposedly lesbian lovers. Except that Rhonda was a man and Padma was halfway finished switching, none of which either of them discovered because they were saving themselves for marriage. It wasn't until gay marriage was struck down in Idaho that they moved to Massachusetts, where their bisexual minister, Hans, sexually propositioned both of them, but separately. When Rhonda found out through her Rabbi, Abe, who is Hans's down-low lover, she went apeshit and spilled all the beans to Angie. That's when Angie exploded on Clarence, who ran sobbing to Jessi with an I. She told John's father that she has herpes, and he told Jacob, who told Susie's mother. Suzie doesn't yet know.

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I missed a week - who got amnesia, and who was kidnapped by an ape and held captive in Central Park?

Regards,
Shodan

Oh, none of that applies anymore. Jordan was just fantasizing inside Elliot's dream.

Oh dear - did DC do another reboot of the universe again? Or am I going to wake up next to Suzanne Pleshette?

Regards,
Shodan

Would that be so bad? I mean, if she wasn't dead and all that...

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Or am I going to wake up next to Suzanne Pleshette?

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Hi Bob!

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Everybody drink!

You should wear sweaters more often.

Regards,
Shodan

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Y'know who else was uncompromising in his principles? Hitler, that's who.


As long as the thread is drifting in an unhelpful direction, might as well give it a push...

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Yeah, I consider him basically my idol. I mean, aside from the Jew thing, I don't think that was necessary.

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Exactly. Men with facial hair styles named after them are the true movers of history.

Who can forget such distinguished gentlemen as Ambrose Burnside, Anthony van Dyke, and Distended A. Goatse? Truly, pillars of humanity, all.

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I've lost track now. Who is mad at who? Why?

Or is this just a bunch of you trying to prove my point about how some of you keep things interesting?

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John is mad at Suzie because Jacob dated Susie's mother while John's father was still seeing Jessi with an I. But Clarence had already told Angie that Margot wasn't Wendy's sister, which matters because Jacob's aunt Rhonda and Wendy's sister Padma were supposedly lesbian lovers. Except that Rhonda was a man and Padma was halfway finished switching, none of which either of them discovered because they were saving themselves for marriage. It wasn't until gay marriage was struck down in Idaho that they moved to Massachusetts, where their bisexual minister, Hans, sexually propositioned both of them, but separately. When Rhonda found out through her Rabbi, Abe, who is Hans's down-low lover, she went apeshit and spilled all the beans to Angie. That's when Angie exploded on Clarence, who ran sobbing to Jessi with an I. She told John's father that she has herpes, and he told Jacob, who told Susie's mother. Suzie doesn't yet know.

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Answer: Imhotep is invisible.

I welcome Shodan and Scylla? in a spirit of comraderie, with the intention of letting bygones be bygones. Shodan I do appreciate your more extensive posts far more than the ones I unfortunately and perhaps unfairly associate more with you. Scylla if you're really here, I'm sure we can start by agreeing that the Mustang is a fine car, and build from that with mutual respect.

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Yes. I've no idea what tipped me over exactly--mostly it was a sense that I felt trapped, having invested so much time, effort and in sheer words to the SDMB, and not wanting to start over again in a lesser place. When a potentially better place came along, at a moment when my frustrations were particularly high, I jumped over here, and am very glad I did.

I'm glad you did too, prr. I'm glad ETF did. I'm glad about nearly everyone coming over.

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I'm glad you did too, prr. I'm glad ETF did. I'm glad about nearly everyone coming over.

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Me too. I'm happy to see everyone, even people who irritate me (I know! Hard to believe they exist, eh?). Mostly because it takes all kinds to make a world. There are some whom I wish would change their minds and join. Perhaps they will.

Remarkable how little I miss the Dope, thanks to our little treehouse here (thanks, CRSP!) I know I could delete my cookies and still look at the SDMB even though I'm banned, but that would be like looking in through a restaurant window and not being able to come inside.

I'm curious, though -- what's it like over there these days? Are the stupid new ill-defined rules still in place, and being enforced? How many bannings have there been? Has the whole tone of the Pit changed, or are people just choosing different words? (As I told Ed Zotti, "I'll never see your name again without thinking of the word 'cunt'".)

As much as I'd like to say the place has fallen into ruin and ashes without my constant posting, of course it hasn't. There's not as much going on, fewer threads that I personally find interesting, but there's still lots of threads and lots of posts. Heck, maybe there are more posts that other people find interesting now that I'm not constantly bumping my hobby horses up in the thread list.

There's a thread or two "wondering" why we potty-mouths needed to be such drama queens about the whole thing. Those are the ones that make me sad, because they illustrate how some people just don't get it. And to go into those threads and post, again, what my concerns are and how they're merely illustrated by, not caused by, Rule #2 will, in the eyes of those same posters, just reinforce the idea that I'm a whiny drama queen who can't just quietly let the door hit me in the ass on the way out.

Have you ever gone back to your old high school long after graduation? And the hallways seem much smaller and the classrooms are full of ghosts of your half-remembered times there, but there's all these weird looking children hanging around your old locker as if they own the place? Yeah, it feels kind of like that right now.

I think I mentally gave up on the SDMB the other day when I was reading one of the ATMB threads and saw this statement from tomndebb:

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This just encapsulates the attitude of the staff to me. I have no patience for people who think they don't make mistakes, because everyone does. Some intrepid souls are still arguing with him, but seriously, how can you even debate issues of fairness with someone like that? "You're wrong because I'm always right" is basically the argument...how can you fight that?

I saw that too, and at first blush I thought he was trying to be a bit tongue-in-cheek. Then I saw that Shodan, PRR, Zoe, and Oakminster were all trying to point out the same thing to him. A bunch of people who are THAT different, all seeing the same thing ?? That tells me something.

ETA: I almost forgot, Starving Artist also. Geez people, just come on over here already.

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I saw that too, and at first blush I thought he was trying to be a bit tongue-in-cheek. Then I saw that Shodan, PRR, Zoe, and Oakminster were all trying to point out the same thing to him. A bunch of people who are THAT different, all seeing the same thing ?? That tells me something.

ETA: I almost forgot, Starving Artist also. Geez people, just come on over here already.

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I would have spoke up too, but I don't actually like complaining and bowed out. I'd rather spend my time positively here.

I doubt it's even registered w/them that I haven't posted in a long while.

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I notice you did not bother to quote the three admissions of error just in the last year that were linked in the same post.

I am so tired of numerous, otherwise intelligent posters at the SDMB saying that the only reason there was a mass exodus was because we weren't able to say fuck, etc.

Kill that strawman, set him on fire, and piss on the ashes.

Morons.

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I notice you did not bother to quote the three admissions of error just in the last year that were linked in the same post.

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IMO it was the attitude conveyed by the post which carried the most weight, quoted admissions notwithstanding. Probably wasn't meant quite the way it reads, but it won't be construed as anything else. Quite unfortunate.

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Leave a goodbye. Sure, there'll be people who scoff at you for it, but it's not for them. It's for the people who would miss you. (And believe me, there are plenty.) You can't blame people for not missing you if you act like you don't miss them either.

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Leave a goodbye. Sure, there'll be people who scoff at you for it, but it's not for them. It's for the people who would miss you. (And believe me, there are plenty.) You can't blame people for not missing you if you act like you don't miss them either.

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PTB are reading here and elsewhere, I'm sure. I was pretty clearly upset at the new direction in more than one thread, more than one way. waves at sdmb ptb Hi, I'm not there anymore. You pissed me off enough.

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I am so tired of numerous, otherwise intelligent posters at the SDMB saying that the only reason there was a mass exodus was because we weren't able to say fuck, etc.

Kill that strawman, set him on fire, and piss on the ashes.

Morons.

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This was getting under my skin, too. I want to go over there and tell them to look at my 20,000 plus posting history, and look at how many times I used the words "fuck" or "cunt" - I believe it is once for "fuck" and no times at all for "cunt." Yes, it was all about the swearing for me. If they haven't got it yet, they never will, and I don't think there's anything I can say.

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Leave a goodbye. Sure, there'll be people who scoff at you for it, but it's not for them. It's for the people who would miss you. (And believe me, there are plenty.) You can't blame people for not missing you if you act like you don't miss them either.

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PTB are reading here and elsewhere, I'm sure. I was pretty clearly upset at the new direction in more than one thread, more than one way. waves at sdmb ptb Hi, I'm not there anymore. You pissed me off enough.

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Well, as late as March 3, SkipMagic claimed not to know whom I meant by "CRSP", but that was the same day Ed Zotti registered here. Whether Zotti's really checking over here now, I don't know, since he couldn't be bothered to listen to people on his own board.

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This was getting under my skin, too. I want to go over there and tell them to look at my 20,000 plus posting history, and look at how many times I used the words "fuck" or "cunt" - I believe it is once for "fuck" and no times at all for "cunt." Yes, it was all about the swearing for me. If they haven't got it yet, they never will, and I don't think there's anything I can say.

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People there say this shit routinely. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that it's part of SDMB culture to really heap scorn on anyone who has a problem with the (eternally shitty) way the board is run.

I don't remember any names (so don't think I mean this for you personally, featherlou, because I don't) but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people who finally left this time were the same folks who got self-righteous about the people who were upset that paying customers were being shown ads, and the same people who used to come to every thread about a bad moderating decision to cheerlead for the moderators.

I'm just sayin'.

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I notice you did not bother to quote the three admissions of error just in the last year that were linked in the same post.

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Tom, I was doing you a favor by not showing those. Only one of them addressed a mod action, and it was a situation where you issued a warning in the wrong forum. All three were factual errors that could so easily be refuted that you HAD to admit you were wrong. The issue some people appear to have with you have to do with errors in judgement, not errors of fact. Citing these three examples makes you appear even more stubborn in this regard.

Look, I don't usually pay attention to these arguments about mod bias, as I really don't care that much what Zoe and prr have to whine about. But this statement of yours really left a bad taste in my mouth. I like to think that I have proven myself to be a reasonable person who doesn't accuse people unfairly, start fights, bitch about moderating, or for that matter, post dishonestly as you seem to be accusing me of here. Maybe you will keep that in mind and think about what you said and what it might sound like to the SDMB members.

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Well, as late as March 3, SkipMagic claimed not to know whom I meant by "CRSP", but that was the same day Ed Zotti registered here. Whether Zotti's really checking over here now, I don't know, since he couldn't be bothered to listen to people on his own board.

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Is the Cap'n really sure that's Zotti, and not just some joker?

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I notice you did not bother to quote the three admissions of error just in the last year that were linked in the same post.

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Tom! :) Come to the dark side. We have Black Pearl.

So when I do admit errors of fact, (and even apologize for a misstep as a mod), I am guilty of terrible things, and when I make a pretty blatant joke about my lack of errors and follow it up with admissions of errors I am still guilty of terrible things.
OK.

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We have Black Pearl.

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Talk about the DARK side. That stuff is p'rt' near unreadable.
(I suspect that it was included to attract the goth 14-year-olds to using this software.) ;)

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Talk about the DARK side. That stuff is p'rt' near unreadable.
(I suspect that it was included to attract the goth 14-year-olds to using this software.) ;)

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[...giggle...] How did you know?

I tried out all the styles--once--just to see what they looked like.

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So when I do admit errors of fact, (and even apologize for a misstep as a mod), I am guilty of terrible things, and when I make a pretty blatant joke about my lack of errors and follow it up with admissions of errors I am still guilty of terrible things.
OK.

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I never said you did terrible things. I said you make mistakes. Everyone does. And if you meant that as a joke, you might want to make some use of the smileys.

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I tried out all the styles--once--just to see what they looked like.

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No, wait. See, the joke was... ah, hell, never mind. Good to see you!

Oh, my son tried goth when he was 14.

Well, now that you're here, you might as well hang around. You'll be on Ed's shit list anyway just for cavorting — especially with me. If you need an out, though, go ahead and ream me. I'll pretend to be upset.

I'm not sure why I would wish to ream you.
(And Ed is not going to give me any grief about posting on another message board, even this one. I have not seen a single negative remark about fluiddruid, for example, or even Giraffe. I suspect that some views of Ed are imperfect extrapolations based on inadequate information. I recall Melin telling me about friendly conversations in which she had engaged with Ed after her banning. I'm not going to try to turn this into a "Poor Ed is just misunderstood" appeal, but I think it is only fair of me to note that he rarely breathes fire and has only eaten one or two of his children.)

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I'm not sure why I would wish to ream you.
(And Ed is not going to give me any grief about posting on another message board, even this one. I have not seen a single negative remark about fluiddruid, for example, or even Giraffe. I suspect that some views of Ed are imperfect extrapolations based on inadequate information. I recall Melin telling me about friendly conversations in which she had engaged with Ed after her banning. I'm not going to try to turn this into a "Poor Ed is just misunderstood" appeal, but I think it is only fair of me to note that he rarely breathes fire and has only eaten one or two of his children.)

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Which is why my main complaint from the get go was Ed has failed to communicate to the general Doper community. I don't think he is a monster, I think he has just done a poor job with the existing dope community.

Welcome to Domebo Tom. I did not realize it was you the other day in the avatar thread. I thought you were a crypt like structure and not Tom B. ;)

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We have Black Pearl.

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Talk about the DARK side. That stuff is p'rt' near unreadable.
(I suspect that it was included to attract the goth 14-year-olds to using this software.) ;)

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Wait-isn't that the comic series written by Mark Hamill?


WhyNot, of course he's not a monster. He's a dumbass prick, but not a monster.

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I'm not going to try to turn this into a "Poor Ed is just misunderstood" appeal.

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No, of course not. He's a brilliant guy who so masterfully runs his website that he has driven hundreds of paying customers off it in a strategic attempt to make it financially viable. Or is that our fault, somehow? He couldn't have done a more effective job of getting us to leave if he had just announced that we were all a bunch of whining idiots whose business he didn't want--oh, wait, that's exactly what he did do.

Reminds me of my former boss; at every meeting he would remind us that we could leave if we didn't want to work there. Boy, was he right.

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OK, having talked it over with Gfactor, I'm throwing in the towel on this one - too much trouble. We'll go back to what we had before, which was basically: (a) Profanity is permitted in thread titles. (b) Don't go nuts. (c) We reserve the right to do something about titles we think are over the top. This will of course dash our plans to market the Pit as the place to advertise Girl Scout cookies and flowers for mom, but we'll think of something.

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As pointed out elsewhere, I prefer to limit my swearing; so returning to the old rules will not really affect me. Nor will it cure the real problems that have angered or annoyed most of us. But it's a start, and this action does back up part of Ed's apology.

Too little, too late, IMHO. It was a boneheaded move that anyone with any sense would never have done.

He still hasn't reversed Rule #2, though (unless I missed the news!?)

Oh, for fuck's sake, Ed. The "no swearing" rule was always stupid, it was always unenforceable, and you had thousands of posts asking you to change it. You were so bloody pigheaded and obstinate that you rammed it through anyway, and alienated half the message board in the process.

And now, after all of this, you shrug your shoulders and say offhandedly "I'm throwing in the towel". You can swear in thread titles after all, and if you can swear there, how long before Rule 2 is dropped with a muttered "my bad". You split the boards and piss off a thousand people with your hamfisted arrogance - and it turns out it isn't something you can be bothered enforcing anyway? Why the fuck didn't you back down at the outset and save us all a lot of grief, you dumb cunt?

Damn Scissorjack. And all you got was a warning from the Skipster.

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You split the boards

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Maybe we should refer to Ed as the Karate Kid? Or the Karate Kunt?

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Damn Scissorjack. And all you got was a warning from the Skipster.

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Una's in another thread though, complaining that Ed's getting flamed for only doing what people have asked for, so honestly, what's the big problem? The staff just don't get it. They just do not get it. Except maybe GFactor: I think he gets it, but he's too low on the mod totem pole to matter, more's the pity.

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Too little, too late, IMHO.

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It's not that it's too little, too late, it's that it's completely irrelevant. Nobody left because they couldn't swear in thread titles in the Pit.

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Una's in another thread though, complaining that Ed's getting flamed for only doing what people have asked for, so honestly, what's the big problem?

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Una can FOAD.

If this was a movie, GFactor would be the "good cop" trying to do his job while the world goes to hell around him and his fellow cops are either on the take or too burned out to care.

GFactor is Jim Gordon?

Wait, we have a Batman here, and he used to be a poster over there. I can't remember the name he used there. No, it wasn't Bruce Wayne...

Sorry StraightGotham, Batman relocated to Domebopolis. You're fucked.

Yeah, but is he prepared? Makes a difference, you know.

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Yeah, but is he prepared?

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Yes: oiled, and lightly roasted. Not very salty, unfortunately.

It's not like the new rules are even working-people are still using profanity in the Pit against each other. And while occassionally they're warned, for the most part, they're getting away with it. (I don't even if the mods miss it, or if they just figure-I don't give a shit. You know, a subtle protest?)

No, that was the beautiful part about their plan. Swearing up a storm was against the rules, but they weren't going to, like, always enforce it. Just sometimes. Kinda. Sorta. Maybe. Under certain conditions.

See, that's part of what chased me out of there - I'm not likely to be personally targeted for moderator justice, but the capriciousness of it is not abated by Ed's latest announcement from on high - "We'll enforce the rules when we feel like it. If we don't like you, watch out."* That's just bullshit, pure and simple.

*Paraphrased.

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Everybody drink!

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Best advice in the last three pages of this bloody me-me-me thread!

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It's not like the new rules are even working-people are still using profanity in the Pit against each other. And while occassionally they're warned, for the most part, they're getting away with it. (I don't even if the mods miss it, or if they just figure-I don't give a shit. You know, a subtle protest?)

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I'd like to think that it's because none of the posters (the ones whom the rules are supposed to protect?) are at all offended enough to report any of it.