The heel of the boot of Italy is SE of Vienna.
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The heel of the boot of Italy is SE of Vienna.
Hmmm, let's take a look at the Botticelli rules in Wikipedia: "The ideal guesser question is one where the chooser says, "D'oh! I should have gotten that," when the answer is revealed." Neither Philander got a "D'oh" from me! :D Better known here as the Ben Weiss Clause, where you kvetched about BW. But I'll allow your DQs anyway just because I'm cool like that.Quote:
Originally posted by Elendil's Heir
Elendil's Heir IQs:
1. I have no idea what the shoes of the fisherman refers to. STUMPED.
2. No, I am not Paul / Saul?
3. No, I am not Pontius Piwate. :)
Most of the "shoe/heel" part of the Italian boot is East.Quote:
Originally posted by CatInASuit
DQs
1. Real
2. Male
3. Last name does not begin with P*
4. Not living
5. Not American
6. European
7. Broadly defined, yeeessss, I'd say he was involved in the creative arts. With the emphasis on broadly.
8. Born before 1920
9. Born east of Vienna
10. Did not die since 1900
11. Not known mainly for his involvement in the military
12. Born before 1600
13. Not born northeast of Vienna
14. Had some political dealings
15. Not famous for a single incident or event
16. Not Italian
17. Not involved in some way with the Papacy
* Controversial!
Umm - you missed these #848 :confused:
Probably wrong - but what the hey.
Quote:
Originally posted by CatInASuit3. Gordon the Gopher - sidekick to Phillip SchofieldQuote:
Originally posted by CatInASuit
DQ:
Known by only one name?
IQ:
1. Were you a disciple of Socrates?
2. Did your nephew describe your death due to the eruption of Versuvius
Oh blimey. I'm sorry, I clicked "last new post" and got Elendil's Heir's batch. Sorry, CatInASuit.
CatInASuit's IQs:
1. No, I am not Phaedo
2. No, I am not Pliny the Elder
(YES! My six years of Latin class finally pay off!)
DQs
1. Real
2. Male
3. Last name does not begin with P*
4. Not living
5. Not American
6. European
7. Broadly defined, yeeessss, I'd say he was involved in the creative arts. With the emphasis on broadly.
8. Born before 1920
9. Born east of Vienna
10. Did not die since 1900
11. Not known mainly for his involvement in the military
12. Born before 1600
13. Not born northeast of Vienna
14. Had some political dealings
15. Not famous for a single incident or event
16. Not Italian
17. Not involved in some way with the Papacy
18. Known by only one name
* Controversial!
Actually. Phaedo is a piece of work by the person I was thinking of: PlatoQuote:
Originally posted by choie
Hmm: will need to think on the next DQ.
Phaedo was one of Socrates' disciples present during his death, and yes, he's the namesake of that book (which is, not surprisingly, about Socky's death). See Phaedo on Wikipedia.Quote:
Originally posted by CatInASuit
No DQ, Jeril. :) Back to the IQs.
Ha. Reading it again Phaedro was a friend of Socrates not a disciple.
Ok - I'll reword it.
IQ: Were you a disciple of Socrates, and wrote a treatise named after your friend Phaedro. :p
Yes, I am Plato. :D
Previous IQs:
Are yours the Shoes of the Fisherman? - St. Peter, the first Pope.
Did you persecute the same sect you later joined? - Yes, Paul/Saul.
Did you have a comedic lisp and an oddly-named friend in a Python movie? - Correct. He has a vewy gweat fwiend in Wome....
Way to go, CIAS!
Yeeeaaaahhhhhh!!!!
Ok, here we go with M
IQs:
Were you a clergyman with a fabric first name?
Were you the inspiration for the villain in a Pat Conroy novel?
Did Richard Lugar play a key role in your downfall?
...and here we go again....
Pass on all three. I wonder if I actually know any of them?Quote:
Originally posted by Elendil's Heir
Previous IQs:
Were you a clergyman with a fabric first name? - Cotton Mather
Were you the inspiration for the villain in a Pat Conroy novel? - WWII Gen. Mark Clark, who inspired the superintendent in The Lords of Discipline
Did Richard Lugar play a key role in your downfall? - Filipino strongman Ferdinand Marcos. Sen. Lugar was on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee at the time, saw that the 1986 "People Power" revolution was something the U.S. should get behind, and persuaded the Reagan Administration to do so.
DQs:
Male?
Real?
Last name start with M?
IQs:
Are you SECNAV?
Were you tried with Handcock and Witton?
Did you give a very, very brief speech at the end of a long fundraiser?
Never heard of him
Never heard of him or the novel
Married to Imelda - the shoe fanatic.
DQs:
1. is Male
2. Is Real
3. Last name does not start with M
IQs
1. Pass
2. Pass
3. Pass
I may start invoking the Ben Weiss clause if this goes on :p
Read all about 'em!
Previous IQs:
Are you SECNAV? - Ray Mabus is U.S. Secretary of the Navy
Were you tried with Handcock and Witton? - Harry "Breaker" Morant
Did you give a very, very brief speech at the end of a long fundraiser? - Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir was at a long fundraiser that ran very late. She was the featured speaker but simply stood and said, "It's late. We're all tired. Let's go home."
DQs:
American?
Living?
Born since 1950?
IQs:
Did your presence at the Battle of Bladensburg make no difference for your side?
Did you fight and beat The Operative in a movie?
Have you played an astronaut, a fisherman and a rental-car staff person?
Another 2 of 3, I've never heard of. :fail:
1. Pass
2. Mal from Firefly - Woot - got one
3. Long shot: William H Macy
DQs:
1. Male
2. Real
3. Last name does not start with M
4. American
5. Living
6. Born since 1950
You MUST see Breaker Morant - one of my favorite movies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMfPBqDcy9M
Previous IQs:
Did your presence at the Battle of Bladensburg make no difference for your side? - President James Madison. The Americans lost badly, and the British went on to burn the White House.
Did you fight and beat The Operative in a movie? - Yes, Mal in Serenity.
Have you played an astronaut, a fisherman and a rental-car staff person? - Nope - Mark Wahlberg, in Planet of the Apes, The Perfect Storm and Ted.
DQs:
Involved in the creative arts, as broadly defined here?
One DQ reserved.
LOL. U.S. Secretary of the Navy for pete's sake... Cruel!
IQs:
1. Did your father show off your extraordinary artistic talent when you were only six?
2. Did a leader affiliated with a controversial political group once call you "the biggest bastard the world has ever known"?
3. Although you became famous partly while dressing as a woman, has it been said that you are extraordinarily endowed, phallus-wise?
SECNAV: That's par for the course where EH is concerned :pQuote:
Originally posted by choie
1. Hmm, Rough guess on child prodigy: Mozart
2. Someone upsetting political leaders - how about Rupert Murdoch
3. *blinks* - yeah I'm just gonna straight pass on this one.
DQs:
1. Male
2. Real
3. Last name does not start with M
4. American
5. Living
6. Born since 1950
7. Definitely involved in the creative arts
1. Right on Mozart!
2. LOL, CIAS. Good guess but I thought you'd get this one: Margaret Thatcher. The person who called her that was the leader of Sinn Fein.
3. TV pioneer comic Milton Berle, "Mr. Television," who often dressed in drag on his Texaco Star Theater shows, was rumored to have the "biggest schlong in Hollywood." Phil Silvers allegedly once stood next to Uncle Miltie at a urinal and said, "You'd better feed that thing, or it's liable to turn on you!"
DQs:
1. Are you primarily known as a singer?
2. Born since 1970?
IQs:
1. In a movie that isn't a remake, did you recently play a good role made famous by Billie Burke more than 70 years ago?
2. Are you known for your ubiquity on panel shows?
3. Did one of your most famous roles dream of accusing someone of patricide prior to threatening murder?
Tish tish - SECNAV is common parlance in certain circles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ry_of_the_Navy
http://www.navy.mil/secnav/
https://twitter.com/SECNAV
IQs:
Did you, as a child, participate in the gala premiere of a major movie in which you did not appear?
Did you write "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God"?
Did you write a book about your many pins?
DQs:
1. Male
2. Real
3. Last name does not start with M
4. American
5. Living
6. Born since 1950
7. Definitely involved in the creative arts
8. Not known as a singer
9. Not born since 1970
EH: You still have a DQ
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IQs:
Choie
1. As I have no idea who Billy Burke is - Pass
2. Paul Merton - although you may need to clarify the question further if you're thinking of someone else.
3. Nope, no idea - Pass
EH:
1. MacCauley Culkin
2. Pass
3. Pass
Plenty of DQs all round.
Previous IQs:
Did you, as a child, participate in the gala premiere of a major movie in which you did not appear? - No, this was Martin Luther King Jr., who sang with the Ebenezer Baptist Church's gospel choir at the (segregated) 1939 Atlanta premiere of Gone with the Wind.
Did you write "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God"? - Martin Luther.
Did you write a book about your many pins? - Former Secretary of State Madeline Albright.
DQs:
Best known for the visual arts (painting, photography, film, theatre, sculpture, etc.)?
Won a major award in your field?
Two DQs reserved.
IQs:
Were you a Canadian PM of Irish ancestry?
Were you a Canadian PM whom a college friend of mine once interviewed?
Were you a beloved TV mom who later came out as a lesbian?
DQs:
1. Male
2. Real
3. Last name does not start with M
4. American
5. Living
6. Born since 1950
7. Definitely involved in the creative arts
8. Not known as a singer
9. Not born since 1970
10. Not best known for work in the visual arts.
11. Has won a major award in his field
Other than Stephen Harper, I know no other Canadian PMs.
No idea on the TV mom either :fail: Have another 3 DQs
Answers:
1. Michelle Williams played Glinda the Good Witch (my use of "good" role was a clue) in "The Great and Powerful Oz," vs. Billie Burke's Glinda in the 1939 "Wizard of Oz."
2. Ha! You got me there with Paul Merton. I'll ask again.
3. I wouldn't count this as a DQ because technically speaking my clue was accidentally misleading; the word "patricide" was a bad choice. My answer was Mandy Patinkin, and the reference was to his role in "The Princess Bride" as Inigo Montoya. ("Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.")
I'll just take 1 DQ: Are you best known for writing?
New IQs:
1. In addition to appearing on countless panel shows, are you known for playing someone who got engaged against his will and nearly went through with it just for the potential real estate?
2. Have you played the same country head of government three times in three different films?
3. Is your most famous book about a guy who was dying?
Previous IQs:
Were you a Canadian PM of Irish ancestry? - Brian Mulroney
Were you a Canadian PM whom a college friend of mine once interviewed? - Paul Martin (my friend was working on a foreign policy essay on Canadian peacekeeping deployments)
Were you a beloved TV mom who later came out as a lesbian? - Meredith Baxter of Family Ties
Hmmm. Five DQs reserved. Gotta think.
IQs:
Were you a crazy green woman?
Did you eat waaaaaaay more than you should in a comedy movie?
You are a historic bad guy. Does a little fictional kid have your last name as his middle name?
DQs:
1. Male
2. Real
3. Last name does not start with M
4. American
5. Living
6. Born since 1950
7. Definitely involved in the creative arts.
8. Not known as a singer
9. Not born since 1970
10. Best known for work in the visual arts. *YMMV*
11. Has won a major award in his field
12. Not best known for his writing, but certainly known for it.
IQs:
choie.
1. I'll pass this time round
2. Michael Sheen (Tony Blair)?
3. I'll pass on this one as well?
EH:
1. Margaret Hamilton (WWotW)
2. Pass.
3. Pass.
So 2 DQs each. You have 9 in total, so no more IQs. I've clarified a couple as well to stop them being misleading. I've also changed my mind on (10) as well, its YMMV, so take all 9 DQs.
Time to get asking.
Previous IQs:
Were you a crazy green woman? - I don't think the Wicked Witch was crazy; she was just, y'know, wicked. I was thinking of Marta, the Orion woman in the Federation asylum in ST:TOS "Whom Gods Destroy," but as we've earned all of our DQs, I won't rephrase.
Did you eat waaaaaaay more than you should in a comedy movie? - Mr. Creosote ("Mr." is his first name), who ate, barfed and eventually exploded in a disgusting but very funny (IMHO) scene in Monty Python's The Meaning of Life.
You are a historic bad guy. Does a little fictional kid have your last name as his middle name? - Italian dictator Benito Mussolini; Millhouse Mussolini Van Houten is Bart's best friend on The Simpsons.
DQs:
Best known as an actor?
Born east of the Miss. River?
Born north of Mason-Dixon Line?
Four DQs reserved.
Dude! I have to stand up for my RPG not-quite would-be boyfriend. Unless you can give a cite where the Pythons literally say "Mister" is Creosote's first name, that is a total cheat! If you tried that when I was the chooser there'd be hell to pay. :D
The answers to all my perfectly fair questions:
1. David Mitchell, who I believe is contractually obligated to appear on every panel show in the UK, and who's also played Mark Corrigan on Peep Show for eight series. Mark was dating Sophie and was ready to propose to her out of obligation but changed his mind--except she discovered his engagement ring and he went along with it. Her parents' plans to give them her gran's lovely cottage nearly made Mark decide that getting the middle class dream home might be worth marrying someone he disliked.
2. Yes indeed. Adorable Michael Sheen for the Tony Blair trifecta!
3. Mitch Albom, author of Tuesdays with Morrie, a touching best seller about the author's visits with a dying old man.
I'm reserving my DQs for CIAS's answers.
But to summarize: We're talking about an American guy in his late forties to early sixties, whose first, middle or nick name begins with "M," best known for some sort of creative field that may or may not be described as "visual arts" depending on one's POV (originally CIAS said no to this, so it's something iffy here), has won a major award for his work, and who is also considered a writer although that's not his main reason for fame.
Hmmmm. I have a possibility but I'm not sure it's a match.
Ask and ye shall receive. See the first paragraph here: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0027888/bioQuote:
Originally posted by choie
LOL. I don't count a fanfiction bio as a cite. :D (It's a good try from the user, but obviously not like the Pythons--they're rarely that self-referential and didn't put that much thought into their characters, especially in one-off sketches like Creosote.) Fortunately we don't need it since I think we're above the limit for DQs as it is.
In the style of HIGNFY: :p
Bile and opprobrium to EH for Mr Creosote
Flowers and chocolates to choie for the defence.
DQs:
1. Male
2. Real
3. Last name does not start with M
4. American
5. Living
6. Born since 1950
7. Definitely involved in the creative arts.
8. Not known as a singer
9. Not born since 1970
10. Best known for work in the visual arts. *YMMV*
11. Has won a major award in his field
12. Not best known for his writing, but certainly known for it.
13. Not best known as an actor - although he certainly has the skills.
14. Born east of the Mississippi
15. Born north of the Mason Dixon line
Hey, IMDB is used by film-lovers as a reliable source of info every day. If either of you have any citation to show that Mr. is NOT the character's first name, I would be delighted to see it. "Bile and opprobrium" indeed. Harrumph.
I still have four DQs. Any thoughts on what to ask next, choie?
Off-topic: The issue is that it is the ONLY source on the matter, something like that should have several references. Besides in the script he is constantly called ' monsieur', by a French Maitre'D. Its an honorific, not his first name. Otherwise several of the other guests are also have a first name of Mr as well. :madsci:Quote:
Originally posted by Elendil's Heir
Well, any male would be addressed as "monsieur" by a French maitre'd in those circumstances. Doesn't matter what his first name is, as it would be unspoken by the maitre'd.
Well, the "born east of the Mississippi" ruined my guess, which was a desperate one anyway. The actor part is probably the best new clue here. So he acts and acts well, in CIAS's opinion, but isn't best known for that, he's a writer of some kind but not best-known for that either, and he's known for something that is sorta-kinda in the visual arts. Who the heck is this Renaissance man?!
What kind of visual arts would anyone be uncertain about, and what type of artist involved in it doesn't include acting, singing or writing? And he's gotta be pretty famous overseas if CIAS knows him.
Hmm. One possibility. Using up one DQ:
DQ: Has he directed films?
(To continue the Creosote Crisis: I have the Meaning of Life script, and he's referred to as "Mr" Creosote when he first arrives by one of the waiters, and later "Monsieur" when addressed. The script only calls him "Mr Creosote." Oh, and for absolute proof this isn't Python territory, there's this: His first name, Mr, was his mothers idea, and his second name "." (silent pronunciation) was his father's given name. A real British writer wouldn't include the full stop (or 'period' as we call it) in the "Mr," since that's not used in UK English. (Same with "Dr" -- the reason being that the last letter of the abbreviation is the same is in the entire word.) Also, having his mother marrying Spiny Norman and giving "Jared" the Subway spokesperson as his son? Dude. That's not Python humor, that's some user trying very hard to be silly and surreal in a Pythonesque manner and failing miserably. Sorry EH, I must remain true to my Python-loving roots.)
DQs:
1. Male
2. Real
3. Last name does not start with M
4. American
5. Living
6. Born since 1950
7. Definitely involved in the creative arts.
8. Not known as a singer
9. Not born since 1970
10. Best known for work in the visual arts. *YMMV*
11. Has won a major award in his field
12. Not best known for his writing, but certainly known for it.
13. Not best known as an actor - although he certainly has the skills.
14. Born east of the Mississippi
15. Born north of the Mason Dixon line
16. Has not directed any films.
Geeze am I stumped. Back to you, EH: what are your thoughts? Someone who writes and acts but isn't best known for either. I'm thinking maybe a stand-up comedian, but I can't think of any who fit the bill. Maybe a rapper if CIAS took my "singer" question literally? Could even be a sports star who's done movies? He didn't say he was best known for the arts, just that the guy's definitely involved in them.
Hmmm.
DQ:
Noted for athletics?
DQs:
1. Male
2. Real
3. Last name does not start with M
4. American
5. Living
6. Born since 1950
7. Definitely involved in the creative arts.
8. Not known as a singer
9. Not born since 1970
10. Best known for work in the visual arts. *YMMV*
11. Has won a major award in his field
12. Not best known for his writing, but certainly known for it.
13. Not best known as an actor - although he certainly has the skills.
14. Born east of the Mississippi
15. Born north of the Mason Dixon line
16. Has not directed any films.
17. Not noted for the athletics, the sport, but is athletic.
Can't pin this guy down. Think think think.
Seriously, every clue keeps throwing off my previous guess. Until we got "born east of the Mississippi" I was thinking Matt Groening, then I leaned toward Martin Scorsese until "not a director" popped up. (Scorsese has done some acting and writing.) And now this person is apparently... what, a dancer? Acrobat? Gymnast? Writer of some kind, acting chops, dancer/athelete of some kind... Whoever this multi-hyphenate is, I'd like his number!
I do have one possibility in my head... EDITED TO ADD: Crap, no I don't, the birthdate is post-1970. DANG!
CIAS, do I have any more DQs left? If not can I ask some IQs?
EH currently has three DQs remaining and choie has one DQ remaining.
Yes, this person is multi-talented. :)
Arrgh. I was getting certain it was Mos Def. (Rapper/writer, actor, can certainly dance, born in NY... but in 1973.)
EH, you've got more DQs left. Burn one up for me!
So. This is a living American dude, born in the Northeast, first name starts with M, born between 1950 and 1970, involved in the visual arts, has won a major award, multitalented incl. writing. I can't think of anyone who fits all of those criteria. I suspect I may never have heard of him.
A dancer? A comedian? A TV host? Hmm.
DQs:
Uses or displays his body in his performances?
Best known for work on TV?
Yeah, it's the "YMMV" with the visual arts answer that's messing with my head. Originally he said 'no' to that, then changed his mind. That's why I was thinking of a rapper. Firstly, rappers are writers but not singers, many can dance, and lots of them can act. One might or might not consider rap a visual artform. Tons of rappers out of the Northeast, too.
But, OTOH, how many rappers/hip-hop artists are there that UK-based CIAS would know? I liked Mos Def for all of this specifically 'cause he played Ford Prefect in the Hitchhiker's film, and CIAS's last choice was Ford Prefect. But damn it, the birth year screwed that up. Even Eminem would work except that his real last name does begin with "M" as well as his first, so that blows him out as a prospect too. My next choice was Mike Epps, a comedian/actor, but I'm not seeing the athletic part, plus he was born in 1970 so "Not born since 1970" ruins that.
ARGH. CIAS, you picked a real stumper! Or we're asking particularly bad questions, heh.
DQs:
1. Male
2. Real
3. Last name does not start with M
4. American
5. Living
6. Born since 1950
7. Definitely involved in the creative arts.
8. Not known as a singer
9. Not born since 1970
10. Best known for work in the visual arts. *YMMV*
11. Has won a major award in his field
12. Not best known for his writing, but certainly known for it.
13. Not best known as an actor - although he certainly has the skills.
14. Born east of the Mississippi
15. Born north of the Mason Dixon line
16. Has not directed any films.
17. Not noted for athletics, the sport, but is athletic.
18. Does use or display his body in his performances.
19. Is best known for his work which has appeared on TV.
The questions are good - getting closer. One DQ each left. :)
Man, I just cannot resolve the dichotomy between his being best known for work on TV, but only "YMMV" re: best known for visual arts. Is it that CIAS doesn't consider TV "visual arts"? Is it that what this guy does is mostly non-visual? He's a writer but that's not what he's famous for, he's an actor but that's not what he's famous for, however he is a "performer" whose body is on display during these TV performances, he's not a sports athlete but is athletic...
I would guess Mike J. Nelson but I can't imagine CIAS knowing who he is, plus he's not an athlete, and I don't know if he won an award for Mystery Science Theater 3000 (I can't imagine that he did, but who knows). I'd guess Mike Myers but he fails re: the last name question. Ditto Michael McKean, plus he is best known as an actor.
Okay. DQ: Is he best known as a comedic performer?
DQs:
1. Male
2. Real
3. Last name does not start with M
4. American
5. Living
6. Born since 1950
7. Definitely involved in the creative arts.
8. Not known as a singer
9. Not born since 1970
10. Best known for work in the visual arts. *YMMV*
11. Has won a major award in his field
12. Not best known for his writing, but certainly known for it.
13. Not best known as an actor - although he certainly has the skills.
14. Born east of the Mississippi
15. Born north of the Mason Dixon line
16. Has not directed any films.
17. Not noted for athletics, the sport, but is athletic.
18. Does use or display his body in his performances.
19. Is best known for his work which has appeared on TV.
20. Not best known as a comedic performer.
Down to one last EH DQ, before final guesses. :)
I'll yield my last DQ to choie - I can't even think of one to ask myself. Nobody who springs to mind fits all DQ answers given so far. I'm stumped.