On Exy

You know, way back in the first days of Domebo there was a thread about who you hoped would join up on the board. I specifically mentioned Excalibre as someone who I’d hoped was still around after his banning at the Derp, and sure enough he was. And he was the same ol’ Excalibre that he’d always been, just as full of piss and vinegar and cheap, cheap wine as he ever was.

Personally I find the guy entertaining, always have. Now how he manages to keep getting under everyone’s skin so damned easily given his long and well deserved reputation amazes me. He’s never pretended to be anything else but a long winded cantankerous dick who likes to poke at anything in his path. He may be an ass at times, but he's an honest ass. If he bothers anyone that much it's only because they let him.

Zuul, it's your board and your decision as to who get's to come and play and I respect that and I respect your authority to make the decisions that involve the place, but I think that outright banning him in one fell swoop was wrong. Sorry, but that's how I feel. Gotta speak my peace.

I know it's not easy to white knight a guy like him, but here I am doing it anyway. Everything he brings to the table might not be the best, but it's not always bad either.

Adios for now homeboy.

Exy's been banned? What did I miss?

Having blithely skipped through the thread linked to in Zuul's banning notice, I realised I didn't even want to know the reason. The guy is a snark-filled wanker whose opinion of himself is only exceeded by his casual nastiness. Fuck him, I won't be defending any of his shenanigans.

Classy Ivan, classy. Though I can understand why you don't like him you could have just stayed out of this.

I hope Zuul reconsiders after a bit but I also acknowledge it is her board and the board has been pretty stable since she took it over. Obviously I like Exy. I was one of the two that invited him here almost immediately. I've defended him in the past. But I also willingly acknowledge the board is not a democracy and when we tried it as one on DoMeBo it was a bad failure and even my time here still trying to appease everyone was also a failure. So I will only offer a plea to reconsider the decision after a while.

The board has grown so small now, I am not sure how much it matters anyway. I'm sure Myrna and Exy will find another chat place and the gaming side of the board will continue to be active. But even chat is getting slow lately. So just consider this one voice in support of Cluricaun.

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Originally posted by ivan astikov

Having blithely skipped through the thread linked to in Zuul's banning notice, I realised I didn't even want to know the reason. The guy is a snark-filled wanker whose opinion of himself is only exceeded by his casual nastiness. Fuck him, I won't be defending any of his shenanigans.

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It’s fair to feel however you like, but taking a swing at someone who can’t respond in kind is a dick move man.

But yeah, I think that maybe a time out could be in order but a permaban seems a bit much. Exy isn’t the reason that we’re a small board, never has been and never would be. To couch his banning in words that it’s better overall for the board is disingenuous as he was one of the most prolific participants we’ve had for better or for worse. I don’t expect the ban to be overturned just because I’d like it to be, which is why I left this out of my OP, but this place won’t be the same without him and not in a good way for me.

Derplicate.

I'm from the GiraffeBoards, and I wanted to sign in with my support for Exy's return. Even though I know he has a piss-poor opinion of us, I think that he should be allowed to return and post here, and he added a lot to Mellophant. Exy, I have nothing against you, and you're invited to join us at the GiraffeBoards, but Zuul, I vote that you reconsider and allow him to come back.

Also, Myrnalene, I hope this won't stop you from posting at Mellophant. It would be a shame if you left the board too.

P.S. I know you and Exy are good friends, and maybe you can talk him into trying to help rebuild the burnt bridge between him and Zuul.

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Originally posted by ivan astikov

Having blithely skipped through the thread linked to in Zuul's banning notice, I realised I didn't even want to know the reason. The guy is a snark-filled wanker whose opinion of himself is only exceeded by his casual nastiness. Fuck him, I won't be defending any of his shenanigans.

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And yet, I would take any bet that more people here will miss him than they would you, ivan. :)

And for the record, I didn't like Exy's methods of putting his viewpoint across in that thread, and I told him as much. But I don't agree with him being banned.

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Originally posted by Cluricaun

It’s fair to feel however you like, but taking a swing at someone who can’t respond in kind is a dick move man.

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Oh yeah, like I'm only taking a swing because he isn't here. :rolleyes:

And actually, I was quite looking forward to hearing his response to our last exchange in "the veil is bad, m'kay?" thread, so I'm a little disappointed myself that he's been banned. But not for any of the reasons you all think he's such a great all-round guy.

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Originally posted by ivan astikov

Oh yeah, like I'm only taking a swing because he isn't here. :rolleyes:

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No, I don't mean that you'd only take a shot at him that he isn't here, I'm sure you'd have no issue saying the same were he not banned. I was saying that taking a shot while he can't respond isn't cool. Which is isn't.

This thread wasn't to pick new fights with you or anyone else. This is about repairing the damage if at all possible, not furthering new issues.

I hesitated to post here, but then I said fuck it.

I find Exy vexsome. He stirs up shit deliberately; he appears to take joy in pushing people off the board. I'll not miss him and, if I were inclined to cheer, I'd have cheered when Z banned him.

I don't disagree, he is vexsome (nice word Skald) for sure. This isn't the first time that I've stuck up for him and it's not like Exy is my secret best friend, our interaction has in fact been minimal "Hey"s in chat for the most part.

But I think that we all know how he can be at times, which makes the fact that suddenly deciding that Exy being Exy is too much isn't right. Like I said, not my board, not my call and I'll back Zuul's play if she decides that there's no turning back. I can certainly understand where she's coming from, but I think that Caging him would have been a better first step, not just snap banning him because he finally figured out the right combonation of buttons to push one day.

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Originally posted by Cluricaun

I don't disagree, he is vexsome (nice word Skald) for sure. This isn't the first time that I've stuck up for him and it's not like Exy is my secret best friend, our interaction has in fact been minimal "Hey"s in chat for the most part.

But I think that we all know how he can be at times, which makes the fact that suddenly deciding that Exy being Exy is too much isn't right. Like I said, not my board, not my call and I'll back Zuul's play if she decides that there's no turning back. I can certainly understand where she's coming from, but I think that Caging him would have been a better first step, not just snap banning him because he finally figured out the right combonation of buttons to push one day.

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Clurican, I don't understand why you'd wish to keep around a person who delights in driving people away from the board. Exy's a bully.

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Originally posted by Cluricaun

No, I don't mean that you'd only take a shot at him that he isn't here, I'm sure you'd have no issue saying the same were he not banned. I was saying that taking a shot while he can't respond isn't cool. Which is isn't.

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This isn't his first banning, I'm sure he'll be used to it by now.

And as someone who has also been slagged royally after a banning, now we both have a common experience! :)

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Originally posted by Skald the Rhymer

Clurican, I don't understand why you'd wish to keep around a person who delights in driving people away from the board. Exy's a bully.

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Actually no, I don’t think he is a bully. How can he be? This is the internet, it’s not like he can push you in a virtual stall and flush your e-hair down the toilet or anything. We have things like ignore buttons to deal with a poster that you find objectionable. Nobody has to interact with anybody they don’t want to. If people left it was of their own accord, if Exy helped push them out the door they were going to leave anyway. But it’s Exy, the poster everyone loves to hate. It seems that some folks just can’t take him with a grain of salt or just not pay him any attention. He might be a jackass at times, but he’s not a bully. If he gloated that he drove people off it was just for the attention, not because it’s actually true, regardless of what people are saying elsewhere.

Look, I’ve said what I wanted to say and I’m not going to say much more. I didn’t wake up this morning planning on trying to champion someone who’d probably take shots at me if it was my day in the box, I just think it was a rash decision and that the board will be less because of it.

Okay, Clurican, I'll let it go. The important thing is that everyone acknowledge how pretty I am. :)

There's a similar post on the GB and I wrote there that I like Exy and that he was always nice to me but that I don't go to Mello-chate at all so maybe I just don't get it. I really do like Exy and I have to judge him by my own interactions with him.

ia(honey bunny) - STOP being a meanie!

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Originally posted by jali

There's a similar post on the GB and I wrote there that I like Exy and that he was always nice to me but that I don't go to Mello-chate at all so maybe I just don't get it. I really do like Exy and I have to judge him by my own interactions with him.

ia(honey bunny) - STOP being a meanie!

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I'm not suggesting that he can't get on with anybody, Jali, but if he took a disliking to you, he was never less than ruthless and overbearing in his attempts to drive the point home. As I'm not easily intimidated, this behaviour didn't faze me, but I can imagine how it might affect less thick-skinned people.

Still, you are right - I shouldn't be mean, especially when the guy can't answer back, so I'll dial my offence-ometer down.

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Originally posted by Cluricaun

He might be a jackass at times, but he’s not a bully. If he gloated that he drove people off it was just for the attention, not because it’s actually true, regardless of what people are saying elsewhere.

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Are you calling him a liar? :fishbeat:

Seriously, I agree with you in one way, that no one has the power to make me quit a board if I really don't want to. On the other hand, if I was posting at a board and someone was always picking a fight with me, I might decide that it's not worth it and move on to another place, if I don't feel strongly about it. In theory, it's certainly possible that some people decided to go back to the SDMB or switch to GB because of one or two people here that were getting on thier nerves.

I don't know if Exy was the cause of people leaving the board. At this point, though, I agree with What Exit?, Mellophant is so small at this point that you have to consider if getting rid of your active posters, even if they're obnoxious, is a good thing. I imagine that now that Exy's banned, Myrnalene will be boycotting this place too, so that's two of the main posters that are gone. I've often heard people say that Exy is only belligerent when he's drunk-posting, maybe that's the problem?

I do like Exy. He brings a lot of flavor to the board. I obviously haven't been here that long, so I'm not so familiar with backstories and so on.

However, regardless of what Spitz has said or done, Exy was just as guilty. He openly attacked Zuul and, in doing so, was marginalizing (yes, I'm using the term sincerely), minimizing, and offensive. As someone who falls under a lot of the same umbrellas as Zuul I was also personally offended by things he said. And yes, when (and I use when hopefully) he is able to come back and hopefully chooses to do so, I hope it is also with an apology and a retraction of certain comments.

For the record, Spitz did personally apologize to me in chat for the incident that happened in chat.

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Originally posted by ivan astikov

Still, you are right - I shouldn't be mean, especially when the guy can't answer back, so I'll dial my offence-ometer down.

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Please leave it there. Forever. You'll make new friends.

This was part of a larger pattern from Exy. It's almost as though he goes through a cycle of pleasantness and vexsomeness. I don't know what happens to him, or why he decides to target one person and just fly off the handle. Maybe it is a result of booze--having observed his habits for the past 18 months or whatever, I wouldn't be shocked. I count him as a friend, I enjoyed chatting with him a lot, and I'll be sorry if I don't speak to him again because of this. But when Zuul messaged me and gave me a head's up on what was going on and what she wanted to do, I supported the ban. For all of his good qualities, he could be a real dick.

Remember, he's been banned from here before for precisely this sort of thing. When he returned, it was supposed to be with the understanding that he stop the behavior. Zuul shouldn't have to take his shit and keep smiling. Exy is 100% aware of when he's being inappropriate, and that makes his comments particularly grievous.

I'm aware of Exy's past transgressions, and I'm not excusing his behavior then or now or even in the future. He was being rather extra "Exy" in that exchange and perhaps he did go too far this time. I just don't get how people don't just go "Oh Exy, blow it out your ass you dickhead" and be done with it. He does seem to have the magic touch when it comes to driving people over the edge and I know it's a pattern for him and a self destructive one at that, but I've been posting on boards with him for the last seven years now and that's just the way he's going to be. Even accepting all of that, I'm still in favor of him returning sooner than later.

Pep pretty much nailed it. After his suspension, he was supposed to play nicer with people, and he really hadn't. I was ok with it because when he gets annoying, I always just put him on chat-ignore. But I liked hearing his opinions on food and linguistics. So I'll miss that. He also started a lot of threads so unless and until someone or some people step up to that plate, we may see fewer threads.


Also, now we know, don't poke the sick zuulabear.

FWIW, Exy and I have apologised to each other (he instigated it) and are now on good terms. That is all.



ETA: he instigated the apology, I mean.

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Originally posted by Panther Squad

Please leave it there. Forever. You'll make new friends.

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Actually, that's not something I see as a problem of mine. If I find friends on t'interwebs, that happens; it's not because I'm here looking for them, in all honesty. That doesn't mean I come online looking for enemies, just so you are clear.

I don't think it will surprise many people when I say this is a good thing, just overdue. Allowing one poster to stay who drives other posters away is incomprehensible when you're a small, struggling new site.

(Hi ivan! I miss you!)

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Originally posted by Top to Bottom

I'm from the GiraffeBoards, and I wanted to sign in with my support for Exy's return. Even though I know he has a piss-poor opinion of us, I think that he should be allowed to return and post here, and he added a lot to Mellophant. Exy, I have nothing against you, and you're invited to join us at the GiraffeBoards, but Zuul, I vote that you reconsider and allow him to come back.

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Seems unlikely EXY would have a "piss-poor opinion of us" or he wouldn't have bothered with the place.

Not much gets under my skin, so I never was bothered by the guy. That said, I never got into a pissing match with him either.

I suppose the question is whether or not this is a better place with him here.

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Originally posted by featherlou

I don't think it will surprise many people when I say this is a good thing, just overdue. Allowing one poster to stay who drives other posters away is incomprehensible when you're a small, struggling new site.

(Hi ivan! I miss you!)

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Aw, stop it, you'll have me blushing!

Nice to see you too, 'lou.

All I can say is that it is astounding how differently people can see the same person.

Well, I think it's pretty easily split. Those who didn't interact with him in chat will be more forgiving, I think.

FREE EXY THE MAN GOD

fucking dumb banning people for shit being thrown down in the thunderdome. fucking dumb shits

probably even mynalene is gone now, and thus so must i

RIP thunderdome

Hey, hates, I'm still here. Don't punk out on us.