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    After reading one of the other threads on this board, I had the following questions, I thought this knowledge would be useful before jumping into a debate (or planning my summer vacation - j/k )

    What is the youngest age of consent in the USA?
    What is the youngest age of consent worldwide?

    Where in the USA is prostitution legal?
    Where in the world is prostitution legal?

    Where in the USA could you legally find the youngest prostitute?
    Where in the world could you legally find the youngest prostitute?

    This is not the thread to debate the pros/cons of having sex with minors, so if you have something to say about that take it to another thread.

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    Have you tried contacting P.I.E? They might do some sort of pedophile travel guide!
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    In most jurisdictions in the US, the minimum age to appear in pornographic images or films is 18, regardless of what the local age of consent is. I presume that prostitution would be covered by similar regulations.

    The limit in Japan is also 18.
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    Isn't this all in the Michelin travel guide?
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    Quote Originally posted by Truth and Beauty
    What is the youngest age of consent worldwide?

    Where in the world is prostitution legal?

    Where in the world could you legally find the youngest prostitute?
    Are you planning to come back to the US after said sex acts?

    The US has a Federal law under which it is illegal for its residents to travel to other jurisdictions and have sex with children, regardless of the legality of the sexual activity in the country where it takes place. They will prosecute you once you return. This is not arcane and hypothetical; people have been successfully prosecuted for violating that law.

    Other countries, including Australia, have similar laws.

    So its not just the laws of your destination country that are relevant. You should keep that in mind.

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    Did you know all prostitution is illegal in Thailand?

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    Quote Originally posted by Ivan
    Are you planning to come back to the US after said sex acts?

    The US has a Federal law under which it is illegal for its residents to travel to other jurisdictions and have sex with children, regardless of the legality of the sexual activity in the country where it takes place.
    Good point. Thank you.

    In the meantime, I've done a search at the SDMB and found a couple of threads that answered some of my questions. Though if people can post any information here relating to my queries, that would be great.

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    Quote Originally posted by Truth and Beauty
    What is the youngest age of consent in the USA?
    What is the youngest age of consent worldwide?

    Where in the USA is prostitution legal?
    Where in the world is prostitution legal?
    In case you are actually interested the following Wikipedia articles (and a few linked from there) contain a lot of information:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_con ... _countries
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_prostitution

    I haven't found any good resources on age limits for prostitution, but I can give you a data point for Germany:
    The limit is 18 years (assuming the john is at least 18.) Until last year it was technically speaking 16 but pretty much 18 for practical purposes.

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    Quote Originally posted by Truth and Beauty
    In the meantime, I've done a search at the SDMB and found a couple of threads that answered some of my questions.
    Might we see links to those threads, please?

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    Aren't you forgetting a question? Namely: What is going price of a prostitute in America? (Since that's what you'll be planning to pay no matter what country you're in )

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    Quote Originally posted by CairoCarol
    Aren't you forgetting a question? Namely: What is going price of a prostitute in America? (Since that's what you'll be planning to pay no matter what country you're in )
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    The age of consent in Japan depends on the jurisdiction. The national age of consent is still 13, but the laws in virtually every prefecture have implemented a limit of 18. The age of majority is 20.

    Full pornography requires that the person be 18, but there are plenty of mainstream publications that skirt that rule simply by having some covering on the models for photo shoots. In even regular bookstores there's usually a section of photo books that can feature girls as young as 13 or 14 in wet bathing suits and the like.

    Regardless of age, genitals are required to be censored under obscenity laws, so penetration, full beaver shots, and penises are mosaiced out or blackened out. This is why bizarre porn like stuffing eels in her ass is perfectly okay, but her pussy lips have to be edited out.

    Recently there were stricter laws enacted about solicitation, specifically to discourage informal prostitution like enjo kosai. The revised laws specifically refer to inducements given to those under 18 years of age.

    All prostitution is supposedly illegal and has been since the 1950s, but the letter of the law only covers penis/vagina penetration, leaving anal, oral, handjobs, etc. pretty much legal. Besides which, enforcement seems to be pretty lax, especially when ersatz-prostitution is associated with organized crime — which it almost always is.

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    Thanks Feirefiz, another great post. I will try to build a table from the Wikipedia cites you gave me.

    Quote Originally posted by CairoCarol
    Aren't you forgetting a question? Namely: What is going price of a prostitute in America? (Since that's what you'll be planning to pay no matter what country you're in )
    Good one! But you are assuming I don't know the going price of a prostitute in the USA. As a matter of fact I do, and I tip quite nicely. They have always been extremely satisfied and one of them even commented once that she should be paying me. Ha!

    P.S. Thank you to you also Sleel for the interesting stuff about Japan.

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    Quote Originally posted by Truth and Beauty
    you are assuming I don't know the going price of a prostitute in the USA. As a matter of fact I do
    I rather thought you would, but didn't want to allow my speculations about your need to pay what most of us can obtain for free to get in the way of my post.

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    Hey, at least I know how to clean my own house!

    But seriously, we all end up having to pay for it one way or another. At least with a prostitute it's more honest and upfront. And you can have oral sex whenever you want! :wink:

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    Are you a fucking nonce Truth and Beauty? I fucking hate nonces

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    wot is nnoce

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    As is so often the case, there's a relevant article in The Onion: Man Knows Unsettling Amount About Nationwide Age-of-Consent Laws. Funny in The Onion; pathetic in real life.

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    Baldwin, that's funny, but not very fair. Feirefiz was just sharing results of things he found on Wikipedia, not presenting himself as an expert. Or were you making fun of Sleel maybe?

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    Quote Originally posted by Truth and Beauty
    Or were you making fun of Sleel maybe?
    Well, there are a few reasons I know these things. When I first came to Japan on JET, the laws were part of one of the lectures for incoming teachers. Scary that it was, but one of the problems with the decline of the English teaching industry is that they're starting to get some dregs even in JET.

    We were all told, basically: "In this prefecture and most others, the age of consent is 18, minimum. In practice, they have to have graduated from high school, which means that they could be over 18 and still not 'legal.' Even though the official national age of consent is 13, you're still going to be in big fucking trouble if you even think about nailing someone from one of the municipalities like Tokyo that haven't adopted a higher age of consent than the national one. If you sleep with one of your students, you'll be lucky to get deported quickly instead of spending a few lovely weeks being questioned and residing in a Japanese jail before being kicked out of the country for a decade."

    At one of the middle schools on my roster in my first or second year, there were a couple of girls who had gotten pregnant, at age 13 or so. Their home-room teacher told me about it, probably because I was one of the few people she could safely discuss the issue with.

    She brought up a related topic; a teacher in the prefecture (not at that particular school) carried on a 5 year relationship with one of his students he met in middle school, and married her when she graduated from high school. Apparently, her parents knew about it because he talked to them about his attraction to the girl. While they weren't exactly thrilled, they allowed them to have limited dates. It is, after all, legal for a 13 year old girl to marry with parental permission. Yeah, that shocked the hell out of me.

    I also had friends in the "industry" a few years back. Enjo kôsai and amateur prostitution were topics of discussion on a couple of occasions.

    So, I've got reasons to know this stuff. It's not like I'm a perv looking for guidelines.

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    Quote Originally posted by Truth and Beauty
    wot is nnoce
    These days, a "nonce" is someone who enjoys sex with someone who is incapable of legally reciprocating. This is usually children, but in recent years has also encompassed the disabled and elderly. Prison areas for molesters are usually referred to as "the nonce wing".

    The word is derived from "nonsense" and dates from at least the 15th century. It didn't have the same connotations back then though - it just meant that someone was exhibiting behaviour considered to be abnormal.

    Interestingly, this epithet would also apply to homosexuals until 1967 and to heterosexual sodomites in the UK until 2001, since the practice of anal sex between consenting adults was illegal until those years respectively.
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    nonsense (or to keep in the spirit of this spread, nonce sense) to your last claim sir.

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    The last claim;

    "this epithet would also apply to {...} heterosexual sodomites in the UK until 2001, since the practice of anal sex between consenting adults was illegal until {that year}."

    ... is based on the reflections of someone I know who was a prison warder at the time (1998). The usage may have been ironic and he never suggested that anyone had even been arrested or imprisoned for male-female sodomy, let alone ended up being pilloried in gaol for it.

    Nevertheless, anal sex between man and woman was an arrestable offence in the UK until 2001.

    Thank you for the opportunity to clarify the situation, sir.
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    That simply isn't the case; in practice had a prosecution been brought for female buggery in post victorian times jurisprudence would have meant the case were thrown out, in much the same way as R v Jacobs defined buggery as anal sex in the early nineteenth century...

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    I'll take your point and let it stand, on the basis I trust you that no such prosecution was ever made. As I mentioned before, my "information" was entirely anecdotal - prison warders aren't judges and he was probably pulling my leg, (or relating lag humour).

    But your post begs a question; assume that a woman complained that her partner had done this to her. Would it have been prosecuted under that law, or would the statues on rape have covered it, rendering sodomy laws redundant?
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    I love how you say
    Quote Originally posted by Truth and Beauty
    At least with a prostitute it's more honest and upfront.
    And then say..
    Quote Originally posted by Truth and Beauty
    ..one of them even commented once that she should be paying me. Ha!
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    Quote Originally posted by Ivan
    Quote Originally posted by Truth and Beauty
    What is the youngest age of consent worldwide?

    Where in the world is prostitution legal?

    Where in the world could you legally find the youngest prostitute?
    Are you planning to come back to the US after said sex acts?

    The US has a Federal law under which it is illegal for its residents to travel to other jurisdictions and have sex with children, regardless of the legality of the sexual activity in the country where it takes place. They will prosecute you once you return. This is not arcane and hypothetical; people have been successfully prosecuted for violating that law.

    Other countries, including Australia, have similar laws.

    So its not just the laws of your destination country that are relevant. You should keep that in mind.
    I'm confused. Why would you encourage Truth & Beauty to come back here? Why you give him a warning that might keep him out of prison?
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