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    Default Bo Help Me, I loves me some Republican insanity!

    As much as I am somewhat dismayed by the complete meltdown of the Republican party, at the same time I can only say that they've made this bed for themselves and they have to live with it.

    But BOY HOWDY!, some of the comments I see on CNN.com when they do stories about that meltdown? These people are fucking nuts.

    Calling JOHN MCCAIN a RINO (Republican In Name Only) and suggesting that he and all other moderates need to be kicked out of the party. Sure, if you want to completely obliterate your own party, have at it. That's not going to carry you back to electoral dominance.

    One comment today in the article about a dust-up between Romney and Steele was so wacked out that I wasn't entirely sure that it wasn't a brilliant piece of Colbert-esque satire;

    "This is nothing more than the liberal media spinning this to look like the Republican party is in fighting and to take the American people's attention off the fact that they are ruining this country by spending all this money on their liberal projects like heathcare, infrastructure building, education and job creation. If they would just stop with their socialist agenda, then Romney and Steele would be friends again."

    Damned liberal infrastructure and edumacation programs!
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    great post bro

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    Quote Originally posted by Chimera
    If they would just stop with their socialist agenda, then Romney and Steele would be friends again."
    This, of course, is the most important issue the United States is facing today. God knows we're all losing sleep over the tiff between the two.
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    Yeah, that comment has to be satirical. If a real Republican had written that, it wouldn't use terms like "heathcare, infrastructure building, education and job creation." It would be all about the dreaded W word.

    Still hilarious, though.
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    A mormon not getting along with a black man? Who'da thunk it?
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    The GOPs desperation just grows more entertaining by the minute. Who is a top name to save them from themselves? Lt. Dan!

    Didn't they learn their lesson about TV actors in the GOP with Fred Thompson?

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    I keep trying to tell people, go ahead and gloat over the Republican meltdown. 5 years ago everyone was wringing their hands over how the Democrats, having lost the 2004 presidential election, would EVAR find their way out of the wilderness. And how in 1992 everyone was wondering what sacrificial lamb would dare go up against a successful "war president".

    Don't get smug nor complacent, people. Obama won by 6% of the popular vote, not 60%.

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    I'm not trying to be smug and condescending. I am sincerely bothered by the Republican meltdown, not just because I want to see two viable parties, but because I don't see any salvation in the continued domination by the serious nutjobs in the party who think that soviet style purges and a reduced party base are the path to success.
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    Quote Originally posted by Batman
    The GOPs desperation just grows more entertaining by the minute. Who is a top name to save them from themselves? Lt. Dan!

    Didn't they learn their lesson about TV actors in the GOP with Fred Thompson?
    Prior to TV, Sinise was a successful movie actor, and before that a successful stage actor. But he always sounds whiny to me.
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    Quote Originally posted by Alien Crouton
    Don't get smug nor complacent, people. Obama won by 6% of the popular vote, not 60%.
    Percentage wise, Obama's win was the largest by any non-incumbent in history. And Republicans continue to dig themselves a deeper hole every time they open their mouths.

    Will it last forever? Of course not. But there's no sign of it stopping any time soon, and if you're a Republican that should seriously worry you.

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    Quote Originally posted by Batman
    The GOPs desperation just grows more entertaining by the minute. Who is a top name to save them from themselves? Lt. Dan!

    Didn't they learn their lesson about TV actors in the GOP with Fred Thompson?
    Actually, Thompson's an interesting case. Through the '60s, '70s and '80s, he's been a federal attorney, Republican party campaign manager, counsel during the Watergate hearings, lobbyist for several corporations, and adviser to the Foreign Relations and Senate Intelligence Committees. He didn't get into acting until 1985, when he played himself in the film Marie, about a political scandal he had investigated. People were impressed with his acting so he started getting more roles. He stayed in politics and acting simultaneously, but pretty much stopped once he became a senator in 1994 (he returned to acting after leaving the senate in 2003). A lot more people may know him as an actor, but he was a politician first.

    Still, I think many in the GOP are hoping for the Ronald Reagan magic to strike again, although they seem to be forgetting that he worked quite a while in politics before becoming the GOP savior, and are just putting forward Sinise as a superficial match. It's cargo cult politics, if you ask me.

    Schwartzenegger would seem to fit the part better, since he's charming, handsome, famous, and even won the same seat Ronnie did, but he seems more like an old school conservative than one of the new bible-thumping party faithful. Is this why he hasn't been made the new face of the GOP, or are they just not bothering because he can never be president?
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    Quote Originally posted by sublight
    Schwartzenegger would seem to fit the part better, since he's charming, handsome, famous, and even won the same seat Ronnie did, but he seems more like an old school conservative than one of the new bible-thumping party faithful. Is this why he hasn't been made the new face of the GOP, or are they just not bothering because he can never be president?
    He also doesn't hate the hommasexshuls enough to really please the party faithful.
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    Even the most inclusive Republicans I know call Schwartzenegger a RINO.
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    I'm expecting the Governator to announce he's going Dem any day now--hell, he can always say his wife talked him into it. He certainly ain't toeing the Rep party line these days, what with the marijuana legalization talk and all. He just isn't crazy or narrow minded enough to be a good modern Republican.
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    Quote Originally posted by phouka
    Even the most inclusive Republicans I know call Schwartzenegger a RINO.
    Totally. If anything, he's from the Clinton mold: a moderate, big-business friendly Democrat.
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    [quote=Emperor Norton]
    Quote Originally posted by "Alien Crouton":3droyh91
    Don't get smug nor complacent, people. Obama won by 6% of the popular vote, not 60%.
    Percentage wise, Obama's win was the largest by any non-incumbent in history. And Republicans continue to dig themselves a deeper hole every time they open their mouths.

    Will it last forever? Of course not. But there's no sign of it stopping any time soon, and if you're a Republican that should seriously worry you.[/quote:3droyh91]
    I'm not a Republican and frankly I think we'd all be better off if there weren't any. Quite frankly I'm incredulous at how we went from Republicans gloating and Democrats hand-wringing over their future in 2004 to the present situation. Political fortunes change quickly, and I would remind Democrats not to get too complacent.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chimera
    I'm not trying to be smug and condescending. I am sincerely bothered by the Republican meltdown, not just because I want to see two viable parties, but because I don't see any salvation in the continued domination by the serious nutjobs in the party who think that soviet style purges and a reduced party base are the path to success.
    I see this caveat frequently in discussions of the Republican situation: despite their problems, it is better for America if there are two viable parties.

    Must one of those two parties necessarily be the Republicans, though?

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    Quote Originally posted by terrifel
    Quote Originally posted by Chimera
    I'm not trying to be smug and condescending. I am sincerely bothered by the Republican meltdown, not just because I want to see two viable parties, but because I don't see any salvation in the continued domination by the serious nutjobs in the party who think that soviet style purges and a reduced party base are the path to success.
    I see this caveat frequently in discussions of the Republican situation: despite their problems, it is better for America if there are two viable parties.

    Must one of those two parties necessarily be the Republicans, though?

    I agree with your view.

    The problem I see is that I'm not sure that it's going to be possible to create a new viable national party, or empower one of the existing third parties, without a long period of unopposed Democratic Party control, if not precisely rule. The current election laws in many states have more equal than other clauses for the big two, which are used to stifle third parties. And ignored when they might apply to the big two. (c.f. the idiocy in Texas where the judiciary ignored that both the Repbulicans and the Democrats failed to follow the letter of the law for their presidential nominations.)

    Given the way that the judiciary is insulated from popular politics (With good reason, IMNSHO - it has its own flaws, of course, but a judiciary that's too responsive to the public whim makes me nervous.) there will still be Republicans in positions of authority for years and decades to come, even if the party complete implodes as any kind of viable national entity. And the natural tendency for any organization to act to protect its existing prerogatives leaves me thinking that even if the Republican Party is dead and gone there will still be enough relict Republicans to preserve the barriers against upstart parties. Even if the Democrats were willing to give up the advantages such a situation would create. (An assumption I think is so far counter to fact as to be laughable.)

    Because I mistrust what happens when any government is dominated by a single political party I think that whatever ideal solution might be preferred for the short term, the best solution would be for the Republican party to be reformed to a more centrist model.

    Just for an example, take a look at what's going on in NYS. We've got, for the first time in over thirty years, a single party controlling all elected aspects of the state government. No ethics reforms being considered. A budget that's up 10% from last year, in spite of a greater than 20% decline in state revenues! People spending more time complaining about our junior Senator being a DINO, because of a single fucking issue, than any serious work on the many things wrong in the state government. And the useless bastards can't even get off their asses to do something that seems so much a no-brainer as allowing gay marriage in the state. Even though the state will recognize those marriages from out of state.

    *panting* Sorry, I've been sitting on that rant too long. But it does illustrate part of why I think that two (or more) adversarial parties are a good thing for governance.

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    Quote Originally posted by Emperor Norton
    Percentage wise, Obama's win was the largest by any non-incumbent in history.
    Hardly. Clinton beat Bush by 6%. Bush beat Dukakis by 10%. Reagan beat Carter by almost 10%. Eisenhower beat Stephenson by 10%. Roosevelt destroyed Hoover. Harding's was a true landslide. etc, etc.

    Obama's win doesn't even qualify has historic. (In regards to victory margin, anyway)

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    Quote Originally posted by terrifel
    I see this caveat frequently in discussions of the Republican situation: despite their problems, it is better for America if there are two viable parties.

    Must one of those two parties necessarily be the Republicans, though?
    Well, it's going to have to please the large percentage of Americans who subscribe to most or all of the following views:

    - Abortion should be illegal except in cases of rape or incest.
    - The government spends too much money on welfare for lazy people.
    - We need to be tougher on crime.
    - The government is trying to take away our guns, and we need to stop them.
    - Pre-emptive U.S. military action in Muslim countries makes us safer here.
    - We need to stop illegal immigration and kick out the illegals who are here.

    You can call it the Republicans, the Neo-Whigs, or House Harkonnen for all I care, but that's what it's going to look like. Might as well just keep calling it Republican and save the money that would have to be spent on re-branding everything.
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    Quote Originally posted by OneCentStamp
    Well, it's going to have to please the large percentage of Americans who subscribe to most or all of the following views:

    - Abortion should be illegal except in cases of rape or incest.
    - The government spends too much money on welfare for lazy people.
    - We need to be tougher on crime.
    - The government is trying to take away our guns, and we need to stop them.
    - Pre-emptive U.S. military action in Muslim countries makes us safer here.
    - We need to stop illegal immigration and kick out the illegals who are here.

    You can call it the Republicans, the Neo-Whigs, or House Harkonnen for all I care, but that's what it's going to look like. Might as well just keep calling it Republican and save the money that would have to be spent on re-branding everything.
    Well, but surely the origin of current Republican woes is that their old laundry list, at least in part, no longer sits well with their potential supporters. If enough Americans still held all those views, the Republicans would be doing fine. But as others have noted, the party leaders (such as they are) apparently don't wish to acknowledge that the old mix of views maybe isn't such a successful combination anymore.

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    Speaking of re-branding, what do you make of the Republicans' indignant demand that the Dems change the name of their party to "The Democratic Socialist Party"? Wouldn't it be smarter for the Dems to change their name to the "Kick Me Party" instead? Or maybe "The Dumb Mothafuckas Party" or even "The Giving Away Your Hard-Earned Money Party"? You can;t make up this kind of crap.

    I mean, if the Pubbies are reduced to making up idiotic names for the Dems to call themselves, doesn't that mean they've finally hit "Empty" on the ideas tank?
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    Default Re: Bo Help Me, I loves me some Republican insanity!

    Quote Originally posted by Inaestimabile Donum
    Obama's win doesn't even qualify has historic. (In regards to victory margin, anyway)
    I had it wrong, it was the margin of actual votes which was approximately 9.5 million. Still nothing to sneeze at.

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