Hospital Panic! [Mafia Variant]

[Winston Smith]

Bolding mine, you think it is worth shocking both Darth Sensitive and Lucifer at the same time? Are you sure that's wise?

We do have two shocks left, but that as well is an issue I leave to the will of the collective. Individually we are stupid but Town can be intelligent. I know Roosh has said often and I rather agree with him, scum have the advantage of more knowledge. As long as Town stays safe and conservative, the scum will always be three steps ahead. Risky maneuvers will throw them off. But if everyone disagrees, I'm ok with only shocking one person.

So, risky meneuvers are good for the town, unless it's yer old pal Lucifer, in which case it's scummy?

[Darth Sensitive]

[quote=Rabid Renaissance][quote="Darth Sensitive":3hxulj04]

I am not buying this as an excuse. Your first post of the game and you laid on the paddles. That is not an attempt to spark conversation. That is attempted manslaughter at best.

Yes, because zapping somebody who I knew would get unzapped quickly is attempted manslaughter. I sparked discussion, that's what I wanted to do.

No. Right now, I think he is the most scummy with his immediate shocking of me. I think day 1s are the scums favorite damage dealing time becausee they can wave it away with "It was the first day! What else was I supposed to do!?"

If the day ended on a shocking, you'd be right. But since you did indeed get alive again afterwards, it doesn't matter. I didn't do it as time was running down or anywhere near days end. There was zero chance of you dying without the consent of the rest of the town.[/quote:3hxulj04]

You admit to wasting your charge and then putting us in the position where someone else would have to waste theirs just to undo what you did, as you were apparently fully expecting them to do. Again, I categorize this as wasteful, risky, anti-town. I do not categorize it as sparking discussion.[/quote:3hxulj04]

Wasting would imply that we need all of them every day - we won't. You can say that it's wasteful, but saying it is risky is deliberately ignoring the fact that we have more than enough shocks to play with at this point in the game. I have started a discussion, whether you like it or not, and doing so in the way that I did won't have helped scum one iota. It may be anti town, but it wouldn't be pro-scum either.

[Inner Stickler]

Bolding mine, you think it is worth shocking both Darth Sensitive and Lucifer at the same time? Are you sure that's wise?

We do have two shocks left, but that as well is an issue I leave to the will of the collective. Individually we are stupid but Town can be intelligent. I know Roosh has said often and I rather agree with him, scum have the advantage of more knowledge. As long as Town stays safe and conservative, the scum will always be three steps ahead. Risky maneuvers will throw them off. But if everyone disagrees, I'm ok with only shocking one person.

So, risky meneuvers are good for the town, unless it's yer old pal Lucifer, in which case it's scummy?

I think what you did was scummy not because it was risky but because you took action by yourself. I don't think we should think of shocks as being similar to votes. They're too powerful.

[CatInASuit]

I vote to do it. Shock them both.

This makes my shock a waste since I saved Darth earlier, but it seems to be a good move for the town.

Now this just sets my scumdar ringing. If both Winston and Darth are town, then after a Night kill there would be 5 players, 2 of which would be scum and effectively at lynch or lose. No, it's obviously not a good move for the town, but an excellent move for the scum.

I vote jali

I don't understand why we should be looking just between Darth or Winston.

[Inner Stickler]

2 Darth
1 Lucifer
1 Jali

[Inner Stickler]

Should we establish an informal deadline to give everyone time to make their cases and get in votes and then we shock and call it a night?

[Julie]

There's no way it makes sense to kill two people at this stage. We simply don't have any way of knowing who people are yet. We can't even make very good guesses yet.

[jali]

I'll go back to my original vote.

Lucifer.

I'm not ready to point my FOS at 2 of you since we need to get this vote in.

Once done, I'll list.

[Inner Stickler]

That makes it:

2 Lucifer (Jali, Bear_Nenno)
1 Darth (me)
1 Jali (Catinasuit)

Correct?

[Rabid Renaissance]

I'm voting for Darth.

[CatInASuit]

We haven't had a vote from Darth, Winston or Julie.

[Inner Stickler]

2 Lucifer (Jali, Bear_Nenno)
2 Darth (Rabid, me)
1 Jali (Catinasuit)

[Julie]

I'll say Lucifer, though I don't think it's my place to direct you two.

[CatInASuit]

Well, we are supposed to be doing this as a town, so your input is appreciated.

3 Lucifer (Jali, Bear_Nenno, julie)
2 Darth (Rabid, me)
1 Jali (Catinasuit)

[jali]

Well, we are supposed to be doing this as a town, so your input is appreciated.

3 Lucifer (Jali, Bear_Nenno, julie)
2 Darth (Rabid, Inner Stickler)
1 Jali (Catinasuit)

Changed the Darth vote for clarity. "Me" looks like you (CIAS) in your post.

[CatInASuit]

Changed the Darth vote for clarity. "Me" looks like you (CIAS) in your post.

Thanks

[CatInASuit]

OOG: Somehow, mafia games seem a little less bright

I'm switching to Lucifer, otherwise I think we could keep going round in circles. His arguments seem more fishy to me and everyone seems to be concentrating on him and Darth, which I still think is a mistake.

vote Lucifer

[Inner Stickler]

4 Lucifer (Jali, Bear_Nenno, julie, Catinasuit)
2 Darth (Rabid, Inner Stickler)

That leaves Darth and Lucifer.

[Darth Sensitive]

Vote Lucy

When it comes down to him or me, absent other info, alway go with him. I don't think that his play is markably different than mine, though things were already rolling by that time.

[Rabid Renaissance]

About there only being two targets for discussion, I've made posts arching brows at Jali and Julie, if memory serves.

[Inner Stickler]

5 Lucifer (Jali, Bear_Nenno, julie, Catinasuit, Darth)
2 Darth (Rabid, Inner Stickler)

Lucifer's vote won't change the total. Should we shock now or wait for everyone to vote?

[Julie]

Shock. Let's get a move on.

[Inner Stickler]

All right.

Shock: Lucifer

[Inner Stickler]

Oh and I say we go to night now.

[Vox Imperatoris]

Okay, so now we need either a majority vote to end the day or simply a vote to end the day by CatInASuit.

[Bear_Nenno]

Vote to end and recharge.

[Rabid Renaissance]

I also vote to end the day and recharge.

[CatInASuit]

End the Day now, it's recharge time.

I won't be using the paddles today.

[Vox Imperatoris]

Lucifer, having been dragged to a makeshift gallows in the lobby, built for unknown reasons, is shocked by Inner Stickler as the lynch mob spurs him on. Left unattended on the platform of the gallows, Lucifer dies as the electric shock sends his heart out of rhythm. You all hang your paddles on their charging pads, and go off to investigate Lucifer's personal belongings (it's funny how no one ever does that before the lynch).

Night falls.

The mafia should make its kill by this time tomorrow (I can extend it if you really need me to).

[CatInASuit]

Err, is this a good shock or a bad shock?

[Bear_Nenno]

Hmmm... I guess we don't find out until after we investigate his stuff. How long is that gonna take, Vox?

[Winston Smith]

::Groan::
You bunch of bastards...
::Ack::

[Vox Imperatoris]

Roles are going to be revealed at the start of the next Day, like normal. Once your role is revealed, you can no longer be revived (so no reviving dead people from the previous day or the mafia's kill.).

[Vox Imperatoris]

After checking Lucifer's belongings and finding nothing out of the ordinary, you realize that you have shocked an innocent man. Dejected, you walk off to go eat breakfast. As people start filing out of the cafeteria, you hear a loud scream, a muffled noise, a sound like a wooden lever being pulled, and a sharp crack, all coming from the lobby. You rush in to find Rabid Renaissance hanging from the long-drop gallows you have constructed for mysterious reasons. Attached is a note from the mafia reading, "Man bites dog!".

To the paddles! Vengeance must be had!

Lucifer was a paramedic.
Rabid Renaissance is dead. He was a paramedic.

Player List:
1. Julie
[del:1hab7qzs]2. Rabid Renaissance[/del:1hab7qzs]
3. CatInASuit
4. Darth Sensitive
5. jali
6. OneCentStamp
[del:1hab7qzs]7. Lucifer[/del:1hab7qzs]
8. Bear_Nenno

Day 2 Starts.

[Inner Stickler]

Damn. Just for fun I tried to balance the game with JSexton points. 2 scum and 6 1-shot vigs weights the game 12 to 9 in favor of town. 3 scum and 5 1-shot vigs becomes 10 to 13.5 in favor of scum. Which leads me to believe that JSP isn't appropriate for this setup.

[CatInASuit]

Lucifer was a paramedic.
Crap

Rabid Renaissance is dead. He was a paramedic.
Double Crap

You are missing out that the scum also count as 1 shot vigs as well, which will boost their JSP score.

[Inner Stickler]

D'oh! This is why I don't design mafia games. That puts 2 scum at 11 and 6 paramedics at 12. That seems a lot better. 3 scum would be 19.5 which is almost twice the Town's score for that scum makeup. *Gulp* I hope we only have 2 scum.

[Rabid Renaissance]

Rabid Renaissance is dead. She was a paramedic.

Or are you savoring revenge for my thinking you were Jasmin Wagner, Vox?

Thanks for the neck adjustment, scum. I hope you all catch MRSA.

ETA: Spoilers/Forbidden thread?

[Vox Imperatoris]

No, I completely thought you were a guy.

Also, what's this JSexton points thing? I've never heard of it. But it doesn't seem right to consider everyone as one-shot vigs for odds calculation, since your vig kills may be overruled by anyone else, at the expense of that person's own kill.

And I can definitely make a Forbidden Thread. It never even occurred to me.

[Inner Stickler]

JSexton Points. It's a way to check that a mafia game is balanced. And, if you're playing an open game like this, it's a quick and dirty way to guess at how many scum there are. This game is a bit weird for it though. If we count everyone as regular vigs then for 2 scum, the score is 15 town to 14 scum. Still pretty balanced. I dunno. It's not really important at this point. We can discuss it afterwards.

[CatInASuit]

Ok, brief post analysis from Day 1 for what its worth:

Julie:
#51: Comment on state of play
#55: Comment on playing rules
#62: Has no suspicions, would prefer at least one zap instead of none
#69: Is ok with zapping Darth, would prefer to unzap bear and zap Winston
#74: Comment on game
#76: Unshocks Bear Nenno
#92: Comment on voting
#107: Says killing two people on Day 1 makes no sense, cannot make any good guesses yet.
#113: votes Lucifer

Darth Sensitive:
#42: Shocks Inner Stickler
#60: Comment on game rules
#68: Response to RR saying he did it to start discussion.
#96: Response to RR repeating he did it to start discussion and response to IS saying there was no chance of IS being dead at end of Day without town consent.
#102: Response back to RR saying he started discussion in a way that may be anti-town but was not pro-scum. Comments that we had more than enough shocks to play with at that point in game.
#119: Votes Lucifer

jali:
#49: unshocks Darth Sensitive , agrees with Bear nenno and votes lucifer
#50: Asks someone to save Bear Nenno
#54: Comment on Lucifer wasting charge
#57: Asks Lucifer why he shocked Bear Nenno and says she shocked Darth to save him before end of Day and before she was shocked out of action.
#71: Says she unshocked Darth instead of Darth due to time constraint.
#73: Quotes OP.
#85: Votes Lucifer
#87: Vote Count
#100: Suggests we should shock both Darth and Winston as a good move for the town.
#108: goes back to original vote of Lucifer
#115: Amends CIAS's vote count

Inner Stickler:
#41: Comment on playing game
#66: Would be happy leaving Darth shocked. Also suspicious of Lucifer
#70: Says we should zap Lucifer
#77: Suspicious of Darth for initial shock.
#81: votes Darth
#90: Response to Vox and CIAS about voting. Wants everyone to have a say and is amenable to shocking the top candidate or both top condidates. Will not shock without group permission and thinks anyone who does so is scum or foolhardy.
#98: Would prefer a risky manouevre but will follow the town's directive
#103: Thinks what Lucifer did was scummy.
#105: vote count
#106: suuggests setting deadline for votes.
#109, #112, #118, #121: vote count
#123: shocks Lucifer
#124: wants to go straight to Night

Bear Nenno
#45: Tempted to shock RR, unshocks IS.
#47: Asks for someone to unshock Darth, suggests we go for a consensus kill. Is against frivolous use of paddles.
#86: votes lucifer, says voting is the right thing to do.
#126: votes to end Day.

[CatInASuit]

and now for the dead players.

Lucifer:
#48: Shocks Bear Nenno
#52: Says bear nenno is as likely to be scum as him, tries to unshock Darth:
#56: Surprised he cannot do any more shocking, wants to speed game up
#58: Says he did strategise, says it is Day 1
#59: Wants to unshock Bear, asks if he has an unshock.
#75: Says Bear Nenno was as good a target as any, states he is not scum.
#91: says he is a paramedic, says confusion comes from phrasing of role pm.
#101: comment on risky manouvres being good for the town unless Lucifer does them in which case it is scummy.


Rabid Renaissance:
#40: Comment on start of game
#43: Shocks Darth for shocking IS.
#44: Comments scum might shock each other under their control or to keep each other alive.
#63: Says Darth should remain high on list of people remaining shocked.
#65: Gives reason for shocking Darth
#67: Comment on Role PM but is hard to see how Lucifer could be confused.
#79: Does not buy Darth's excuse, FOS on Julie for making excuses for Darth
#88: Is inclined to vote for Darth and Lucifer
#89: votes Darth
#93: comment on voting for person she shocked.
#94: Does not buy statement that there is an in-Day countdown, no implication of it from mod statement. Prefers to discuss shocks used in ignorance of rules including Lucifer's play.
#97: Says Darth wasted his charge and that someone would have to waste a charge undoing it. Categorised as anti-town.
#110: repeats vote for Darth
#120: Says she has made posts of concern about jali and julie.
#127: votes to end day and recharge


Brain hurts now, will do analysis later.

[Bear_Nenno]

vote: jali

For suggesting we kill TWO people during yesterDay.

[Bear_Nenno]

Oh shit. What was I thinking. Forgot what game this was.

vote: jali

[CatInASuit]

Oh shit. What was I thinking. Forgot what game this was.

[ color=#0000FF]vote: jali[/color]

Umm, what game did you think this was?

Anyway, looking back through Day 1, I think the most likely scum is jali. I don't buy the "time limit" during the Day and she pushed Inner Stickler's comment about shocking two people on Day 1.

so for the moment

vote jali.

[Julie]

It's funny. When I read through CIAS's precis of yesterDay, I find that the person I'd be suspicious of today is Rabid Renaissance, for her shocking of Darth after complaining that Darth acted pro-scum. Tells you how good my instincts are.

I think jali's confusion about the wording of the OP is plausible. I don't like the suggestion to kill two. That also points to Inner Stickler as well as jali.

I found IS's posts more suspicious than jali's. He appeared to be trying hard to follow the herd rather than sticking his neck out at all. I hate the attempt at a precedent that shocking anyone without the town's agreement is scummy. I simply don't agree with that at all.

[Inner Stickler]

You think it's not scummy to shock unilaterally? Why not?

[Julie]

Why would it be, especially on the first day? We've got paddles. I'd rather use them than not, otherwise what are they for? In fact, I'll put my money where my mouth is.

Shock Inner Stickler

[Bear_Nenno]

Oh shit. What was I thinking. Forgot what game this was.

[ color=#0000FF]vote: jali[/color]

Umm, what game did you think this was?

That post didn't make sense because what I meant to do is correct my initial mistake, but then I made the exact same mistake the second time. What I MEANT to say in the above post was:

Shock: Jali

I messed it up the first time, realized what game it was (that I have paddles and don't necessarily need to vote), and went to correct it in a follow-up post. But "voted" again. Whoops.

Yea, I think she is scum. For the time thing and the "fry two guys, we got two paddles" thing. Anyway, I hope I don't look scummy for zapping instead of voting. I think early in the day when we have a lot of paddles, we can still be pro-town and zap, as long as we have reason or just cause. I find cause to zap jali.

[CatInASuit]

OK let's see what the situation is now:

Charged: CatInASuit, Darth Sensitive, jali, Inner Stickler
Out of Juice: Bear Nenno, julie

Shocked: Inner Stickler, jali
Alive: Bear Nenno, julie, CatInASuit, Darth Sensitive

Dead: Rabid Renaissance, Lucifer