Hospital Panic! [Mafia Variant]

[Julie]

Oh my. It's a bit chaotic, isn't it?

Okay, so currently Bear Nenno is shocked and CatInASuit, Inner Stickler, and I are the only ones with juice, right?

[Winston Smith]

Shock Darth Sensitive

I agree with Bear_Nenno. That was a waste, Lucifer. I vote Lucifer.

He's just as likely to be scum as I am at this point.

Unshock: Darth Sensitive

[CatInASuit]

Charged: Julie, CatInASuit, Inner Stickler
Out of Juice: Darth Sensitive, Rabid Renaissance, Bear Nenno, jali, Lucifer

Alive: Julie, Rabid Renaissance, CatInASuit ,jali, Lucifer, Darth Sensitive, Inner Stickler
Shocked: Bear Nenno
Dead: No-one

Oh grief.

Thoughts as and when I get a chance.

[jali]

Shock Darth Sensitive

I agree with Bear_Nenno. That was a waste, Lucifer. I vote Lucifer.

He's just as likely to be scum as I am at this point.

Unshock: Darth Sensitive

No. It was a waste of your only charge. You can't do anything until tomorrow.

[Julie]

If one person is currently shocked and three people have charges, we can either have zero kills or two kills if everyone uses their paddles.

[Winston Smith]

Shock Darth Sensitive

I agree with Bear_Nenno. That was a waste, Lucifer. I vote Lucifer.

He's just as likely to be scum as I am at this point.

Unshock: Darth Sensitive

No. It was a waste of your only charge. You can't do anything until tomorrow.

What do you mean I can't do anything until tomorrow? And. I didn't waste my charge, since (as I've already pointed out) there's at least a 40% chance that Bear is scum. Plus, he talked too much for my taste, and he seemed kind of bossy. Let's let it ride, bring on the night, and see what happens. There's nothing worse than a slow game, IMHO, hence my desire to get things rolling.

[jali]

After CatInASuit's recap:

Let's see, we have 8 players each with shock paddles, 3 down, 5 to go. You only get one shock per Day.

So, Darth Sensitive, Rabid Renaissance and Bear Nenno can no longer shock again toDay.

Inner Stickler is back with us, but Darth is shocked and cannot post until he is shocked again or he will die at the end of Day. As far as I can tell, Day ends when we ask for the paddles to be recharged or we run out of shocks.

Charged: Julie, CatInASuit, jali, Lucifer, Inner Stickler
Out of Juice: Darth Sensitive, Rabid Renaissance, Bear Nenno

Alive: Julie, Rabid Renaissance, CatInASuit ,jali, Lucifer, Bear_Nenno, Inner Stickler
Shocked: Darth Sensitive
Dead: No-one

And Bear_Nenno's request:

Since we're running low on paddles now, I think we might have to have our first kill a "consensus" kill. We should all vote for who to kill, then whoever has a paddle left, charge that bitch to 900Joules and fry his ass. Hopefully we'll pick correctly.

After the mob gets through their NK, we can all start using our paddles more efficiently.

I think the next person to use paddles frivolously and waste our juice is most decidedly against the town

I think it would have been wise to discuss your shock first or at least explain why you felt that you needed to shock Bear_Nenno.

I shocked Darth since his time was running out and I wanted to be able to save him before I was possibly shocked out of action. If there are no charges left to revive anyone at the end of the day, then your shock was wasted IMO.We've come to the point where town needs to strategize.

[Winston Smith]

I did strategize. Let's let Bear die and see what happens. How much more strategy can you ask for on day 1? Seriously.

[Winston Smith]

If Darth was already unshocked, then I suppose I still have the power to unshock Bear, but I really don't want to.

Who's modding this game? Do I still have an unshock up my sleeve or what?

[Darth Sensitive]

You get one zap, be it to kill or revive.

[CatInASuit]

If one person is currently shocked and three people have charges, we can either have zero kills or two kills if everyone uses their paddles.

Nope, we can ask for a recharge and end the Day as it stands without the rest of us using any further shocks.

How about a bit more discussion before we decide what actions we should take next?

[Julie]

If one person is currently shocked and three people have charges, we can either have zero kills or two kills if everyone uses their paddles.

Nope, we can ask for a recharge and end the Day as it stands without the rest of us using any further shocks.

How about a bit more discussion before we decide what actions we should take next?

That's why I said "if everyone uses their paddles"!

I don't have any particular suspicions of anyone. I would tend to prefer a bad whack to no whack at all, since a bad whack gives a little bit of info while a non-whack gives nothing.

[Rabid Renaissance]

Of all of the people we should (or should've) let stay dead, Darth should be quite high on the list, imho.

[CatInASuit]

I agree, one death is better than nothing, two deaths would be careless indeed.

Currently there really is nothing to get a grip on though

Hmm,

Darth - Why did you decide to shock Inner Stickler right as the game started.
RR - Any reason for shocking Darth straightaway?
jali - why are you did you ressurect Darth Sensitive instead of Bear Nenno?

Shock Darth Sensitive

I agree with Bear_Nenno. That was a waste, Lucifer. I vote Lucifer.

He's just as likely to be scum as I am at this point.

Unshock: Darth Sensitive

Lucifer - So does that mean you know what his role is then or are you just guessing? And how do you make it that there is at least a 40% chance he is scum. If you were town, there would be 2 scum in 7 which is 28%. How can you be certain it's higher?

Inner Stickler, Julie - any comments?

[Rabid Renaissance]

I shocked Darth because it is just as important to try and hold people accountable for their actions as trying to un-do those actions.

[Inner Stickler]

I would have been perfectly fine leaving Darth shocked. That was surprising and a little irritating.

I'm a leetle suspicious of Lucifer as I don't think the rules for this game are that hard. I don't think you can reasonably claim not understanding how your shock paddles are working.

[Rabid Renaissance]

Based on my role PM not including a critical "or", I can see how someone could be confused on how the paddles work, assuming the role they received is the same as mine. But when combined with the OP of this thread and what few rule discussion posts have taken place in the ramp-up, it is harder to see how he could be confused, again assuming he received the same role as mine.

[Darth Sensitive]

Mad with power/sparking conversation.

I was confident that the death wouldn't last, and that we wouldn't need all the charges we had for whoever we eventually decided to lynch. It's started some discussion, which was the point, (Also, I've been going through something of a self imposed mafia drought, and I really wanted to jump in feet first.)

Sorry for forgetting to say "clear" though.

[Julie]

I agree, one death is better than nothing, two deaths would be careless indeed.

To lose one paramedic, Mr Cat, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness!

I'd be okay with rezapping Darth, but I'm a little inclined to believe he was simply getting the ball rolling in the only way he could see how.

Lucifer shocked Bear to be contrary and being contrary isn't useful in these games in my opinion, so I'd lean toward unzapping Bear and zapping Lucifer.

[Inner Stickler]

I'm for that as well. I say zap Lucifer!

(Oh, I suppose we should unzap Bear. It is so quiet now though. J/K Bear. Luv ya!)

[jali]

I zapped Darth instead of Bear because of the time constraints. Darth had been dead for a while while Bear still has at least a few hours.

[CatInASuit]

I zapped Darth instead of Bear because of the time constraints. Darth had been dead for a while while Bear still has at least a few hours.

Just for note, there is no time constraint. If a person is shocked at end of Day, they die. That's it, regardless of how much of the Day they have been shocked. The only drawback being that they cannot speak during the Day.

I'm waiting to hear back from Lucifer, but I'm leaning towards leaving him shocked at end of Day instead of Bear Nenno as well. Unless he has a better explanation of course.

[jali]

From the OP:

...because you are using shock paddles instead of guns, there exists the possibility of reviving someone who has been killed, although not for too long after his death.

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[Julie]

I wondered the same thing jali did about that line in the OP.

[Winston Smith]

I agree, one death is better than nothing, two deaths would be careless indeed.

To lose one paramedic, Mr Cat, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness!

I'd be okay with rezapping Darth, but I'm a little inclined to believe he was simply getting the ball rolling in the only way he could see how.

Lucifer shocked Bear to be contrary and being contrary isn't useful in these games in my opinion, so I'd lean toward unzapping Bear and zapping Lucifer.

Huh? I wasn't being contrary. He was as good a target as any. Plus, he talked too much and was bossy. Both traits that work well if you're scum. Do what you want though. I'll tell you this: There's a MUCH better chance of him being scum than me, because I'm NOT scum.

[Julie]

Alrighty then. I'll unshock Bear.

Shock: Bear Nenno

[Inner Stickler]

So Catinasuit and I are the only ones with shocks left. My thought is that since our shocks have immediate effects and are one-shots, they should not be used as cavalierly as some of the earlier posters have. I feel the possibility that Darth wanted to eliminate a paramedic under the guise of "it's day 1, random deaths are the only ones" is rather high.

[CatInASuit]

From the OP:

...because you are using shock paddles instead of guns, there exists the possibility of reviving someone who has been killed, although not for too long after his death.

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Also from the OP:

One shock causes cardiac arrest—the second starts it beating again, and so on, i.e. an odd number of shocks at the end of the day means you're dead, an even number means you're alive

Like I said, all that matters is what someone's status is at the end of Day. Difference between game colour and rules.

[Rabid Renaissance]

Mad with power/sparking conversation.

I was confident that the death wouldn't last, and that we wouldn't need all the charges we had for whoever we eventually decided to lynch. It's started some discussion, which was the point, (Also, I've been going through something of a self imposed mafia drought, and I really wanted to jump in feet first.)

Sorry for forgetting to say "clear" though.

I am not buying this as an excuse. Your first post of the game and you laid on the paddles. That is not an attempt to spark conversation. That is attempted manslaughter at best.

I'd be okay with rezapping Darth, but I'm a little inclined to believe he was simply getting the ball rolling in the only way he could see how.

And a FOS on Julie for making other bad excuses for him.

[Rabid Renaissance]

Sorry, that "CatinASuit wrote:" part should not be there. Vestiges of a nested quote I snipped from.

[Inner Stickler]

Well, I'll make it official.

vote: Darth

[Vox Imperatoris]

From the OP:

...because you are using shock paddles instead of guns, there exists the possibility of reviving someone who has been killed, although not for too long after his death.

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Also from the OP:

[quote:19eq354s]One shock causes cardiac arrest—the second starts it beating again, and so on, i.e. an odd number of shocks at the end of the day means you're dead, an even number means you're alive

Like I said, all that matters is what someone's status is at the end of Day. Difference between game colour and rules.[/quote:19eq354s]

Ja. Sorry for the confusion. Also, besides the town as a whole being able to vote to end the day, if all the people who have shocks left decide not to use them, the day ends, too.

ETA: Inner Stickler, did you mean "Shock: Darth Sensitive"?

[CatInASuit]

Inner Stickler, are you just going to jump in and shock Darth Sensitive event though you have just said we need to take more time to think about it?

[CatInASuit]

Wait a moment:

Everyone vote for who you want to be shocked, then either Inner Stickler or I can provide the coup de grace.

[jali]

Lucifer for his anti-town shock after Bear_Nenno asked for discussion.

Vote Lucifer

[Bear_Nenno]

Inner Stickler, are you just going to jump in and shock Darth Sensitive event though you have just said we need to take more time to think about it?

No, he's doing the right TOWN thing and is "voting". He's not shocking until we all agree. Or at least until there is a consensus I assume. Tie goes to the paddle holder I'd say.

vote: lucifer

[jali]

2 votes for Lucifer
1 vote for Darth

[Rabid Renaissance]

I'm inclined to vote for both. If we end up in a tie I can pick one?

[Rabid Renaissance]

Brainfart on how stupid that came out.

I am pretty much equally inclined to fry either of them. But I'll go with Darth.

[Inner Stickler]

ETA: Inner Stickler, did you mean "Shock: Darth Sensitive"?

No, I definitely did not. I said vote and I meant it. CIAS and I are the only ones with shocks left and to take unilateral action like that is scummy, imo.

Inner Stickler, are you just going to jump in and shock Darth Sensitive event though you have just said we need to take more time to think about it?

No. Right now, I think he is the most scummy with his immediate shocking of me. I think day 1s are the scums favorite damage dealing time becausee they can wave it away with "It was the first day! What else was I supposed to do!?" I want everyone to have a say in who gets shocked. We have two shocks left. I am amenable to either shocking the number one lynch candidate or the the numbers one and two. In any event, I will not shock anyone without the group's permission and I think anyone who does is either scum or foolhardy.

[Winston Smith]

I'm a plain old townie, you knuckleheads. My confusion about being able to unshock is due to the terrible phrasing of the role PM. Those of you that received the same PM should be able to should be able to understand my confusion.

Unless this is meta-gamey fuckery and you want me gone before I can get up to any mischief. If that's the case then go ahead, you bunch of bastards.

[Julie]

I don't know if I'm particularly into having "everyone" decide who gets shocked. After all, those of us who have already used our paddles already had a "vote."

[Rabid Renaissance]

I don't know if I'm particularly into having "everyone" decide who gets shocked. After all, those of us who have already used our paddles already had a "vote."

I'm covered either way. I shocked who I'm voting for.

[Rabid Renaissance]

I shocked Darth since his time was running out and I wanted to be able to save him before I was possibly shocked out of action.

She and others have pointed out the statement that led them to believe there was some sort of count-down upon a player being shocked, but I don't know that I buy it. There was a vague mod statement, but in no way does it imply a finite count down imho. When we're discussing shocks that are being wasted or not wasted, I'd like to talk about shocks that were performed in alleged ignorance of the rules instead of perhaps asking for clarification from the Mod first. This includes Lucifer's play, but the wording in my PM at least somewhat corroborates his explanation of his interpretation.

[CatInASuit]

[quote=Inner Stickler]

ETA: Inner Stickler, did you mean "Shock: Darth Sensitive"?

No, I definitely did not. I said vote and I meant it. CIAS and I are the only ones with shocks left and to take unilateral action like that is scummy, imo.
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Yeah, I figured that out after a little while, although Vox's question took me by surprise. It is the right thing to do in this situation.

Inner Stickler, are you just going to jump in and shock Darth Sensitive event though you have just said we need to take more time to think about it?

No. Right now, I think he is the most scummy with his immediate shocking of me. I think day 1s are the scums favorite damage dealing time becausee they can wave it away with "It was the first day! What else was I supposed to do!?" I want everyone to have a say in who gets shocked. We have two shocks left. I am amenable to either shocking the number one lynch candidate or the the numbers one and two. In any event, I will not shock anyone without the group's permission and I think anyone who does is either scum or foolhardy.

Bolding mine, you think it is worth shocking both Darth Sensitive and Lucifer at the same time? Are you sure that's wise?

[Darth Sensitive]

I am not buying this as an excuse. Your first post of the game and you laid on the paddles. That is not an attempt to spark conversation. That is attempted manslaughter at best.

Yes, because zapping somebody who I knew would get unzapped quickly is attempted manslaughter. I sparked discussion, that's what I wanted to do.

No. Right now, I think he is the most scummy with his immediate shocking of me. I think day 1s are the scums favorite damage dealing time becausee they can wave it away with "It was the first day! What else was I supposed to do!?"

If the day ended on a shocking, you'd be right. But since you did indeed get alive again afterwards, it doesn't matter. I didn't do it as time was running down or anywhere near days end. There was zero chance of you dying without the consent of the rest of the town.

[Rabid Renaissance]

[quote=Darth Sensitive]

I am not buying this as an excuse. Your first post of the game and you laid on the paddles. That is not an attempt to spark conversation. That is attempted manslaughter at best.

Yes, because zapping somebody who I knew would get unzapped quickly is attempted manslaughter. I sparked discussion, that's what I wanted to do.

No. Right now, I think he is the most scummy with his immediate shocking of me. I think day 1s are the scums favorite damage dealing time becausee they can wave it away with "It was the first day! What else was I supposed to do!?"

If the day ended on a shocking, you'd be right. But since you did indeed get alive again afterwards, it doesn't matter. I didn't do it as time was running down or anywhere near days end. There was zero chance of you dying without the consent of the rest of the town.[/quote:1l2i4bsc]

You admit to wasting your charge and then putting us in the position where someone else would have to waste theirs just to undo what you did, as you were apparently fully expecting them to do. Again, I categorize this as wasteful, risky, anti-town. I do not categorize it as sparking discussion.

[Inner Stickler]

Bolding mine, you think it is worth shocking both Darth Sensitive and Lucifer at the same time? Are you sure that's wise?

We do have two shocks left, but that as well is an issue I leave to the will of the collective. Individually we are stupid but Town can be intelligent. I know Roosh has said often and I rather agree with him, scum have the advantage of more knowledge. As long as Town stays safe and conservative, the scum will always be three steps ahead. Risky maneuvers will throw them off. But if everyone disagrees, I'm ok with only shocking one person.

[Vox Imperatoris]

This game is really easy (and fun!) to mod.

[jali]

I vote to do it. Shock them both.

This makes my shock a waste since I saved Darth earlier, but it seems to be a good move for the town.