Fuckin' screenplay. Completely scrapped it and re-started it twice already. It was originally a road-trip "dramady" a la Sideways which has now become a comedy of assholes a la It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Maybe next it will be a space opera.
Fuckin' screenplay. Completely scrapped it and re-started it twice already. It was originally a road-trip "dramady" a la Sideways which has now become a comedy of assholes a la It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Maybe next it will be a space opera.
I'm not good at the advice. Can I offer you a sarcastic comment instead?
The killer is the investigating officer's retired ex-partner. Next!Originally posted by DaphneBlack
Seriously -- a doctoral dissertation? What's your subject?
I LOVE "comedy of assholes." Please don't restart it a third time. There needs to be more screenplays like that in the world.Originally posted by woodstockbirdybird
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Hmm, hadn't considered that angle! I'm more thinking -- will it be the rabbi, the priest, the minister, the disgruntled religious-news broadcaster or the harried television producer?Originally posted by Baldwin
I'm in Ancient History, working on religious debate texts from the second to the fifth centuries CE. Aren't you glad you asked? 8-)
Actually I really enjoy my topic. But it is hard to be motivated sometimes with such a huge amount of material -- both that I am writing and the research I have done and still have to do.
Thanks! I'm actually pretty happy with it in this incarnation, although it's much harder than you'd imagine to write in this style - seems like it'd just be brainless, but there's a lot of nuances you need to pull off to keep it from being hateful.Originally posted by pepperlandgirl
And DaphneBlack, if your avatar is a picture of you, you've got a clone. You look almost exactly like someone I work with. And by "work", I mean "make love". And by "make love", I of course mean "have a purely platonic professional relationship".
I'm not good at the advice. Can I offer you a sarcastic comment instead?
The avatar is indeed me. And not my clone. I think.
Oddly this is not the first time someone has told me I have a clone (in exactly those words).
Unfortunately I don't think this will help either my PhD or my novel. Unless my clone wants to write my dissertation's literature survey for me? That'd be really helpful.
So, how do you swing. I bet you're a monophysite. We could never marry; my family's all Nestorians. Sad, really.Originally posted by DaphneBlack
Good luck!
Well, as far as I know, your clone that I work with can't write worth a damn, but I'll ask her if she'd like to take a shot at it. Maybe she'd be willing to sleep with your professor or somebody on the review board or whoever it is that judges your dissertation. I do have some pull here.
I'm not good at the advice. Can I offer you a sarcastic comment instead?
Good possibilities to keep in mind for down the road, woodstock!
Oh, and Baldwin, those Nestorians and monophysites didn't rock the religious debate until after my time. I'm more of a partisan of the Arians (i not y). Bloody Athanasius was a self-righteous motherfucker.
(Actually, in one of my texts, twelve rabbis face off against the pope. No really. I'm rootin' for the rabbis, but they never win, alas).
Dude, I'm a project manager. I write more fiction than you do.Originally posted by Baldwin
If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if this is tea please bring me some coffee. ~Abraham Lincoln
As a Product/Project manager, amen to that. Fiction and lies. Fiction and lies.Originally posted by xenophon41
aka ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
"Follow your bliss." - Joseph Campbell
"There is no one right way to live." - Daniel Quinn (Ishmael)
Well, at the moment I'm writing this post.
But I should be writing a guidebook to the Peloponnese. Or possibly an article for a magazine that's due soon.
Just in case you haven't heard of it you should check out this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Holy-Mountai...6179641&sr=8-1. It's a modern travel book based on the writings and journeys of John Moschos - he's a little later than your period, but I expect you'd still enjoy it. The writing is beautiful and it's an interesting perspective on how Christianity has declined in the Middle East.Originally posted by DaphneBlack
I just sold a couple of confession stories for the usual pitiful amount. I expect those'll be the last for a while.
I plan to be finished with my God! Damn1 novel on the God! Damn! last day of April.
I am intermittenly working on my short story about the super-hero who insists that she's not a super-hero because she doesn't wear a costume or fight crime in any sort of systematic fashion.
And I have a porn thingie, but that's for money and doesn't count.
"Fairy tales do not give the child his first idea of bogey. The baby has known the dragon intimately ever since he had an imagination. What the fairy tale provides for him is a St. George to kill the dragon." (Chesterton)
Hello - my first post. :mrgreen:Originally posted by Rabid Renaissance
I'm very inexperienced as a writer but I've been a professional actor for 15 years and read a lot of scripts. My advice FWIW is not to get too much feedback too soon. I find it useful to get my script to what I consider to be a decent standard and then ask 3 people I trust to read it. They are only allowed to ask 3 questions about the script which usefully removes the possibility of painful criticism but can throw up potential weaknesses - esp if all 3 people ask similar questions!
Your second dilemma - personally, I think story is everything and unless you're planning on directing your own script, I wouldn't spend too much time on the visuals unless they're crucial.
I've got my first theatre commission but I'm so busy with acting stuff right now, I'm slightly panicking. Oh well, there's nothing like a deadline, as they say. (manically)
Finally got back to work on a fantasy story I started a while back, and got some encouraging feedback from a writer's group last week. Also started a SF story, although I'm still not sure where I'm going to go with it.
Thanks for the input, and belated thanks to pepperlandgirl.Originally posted by Lupers
My hunch is to either approach it as a short story, or shelf the idea until I prove to myself that I can actually follow through on finishing a first draft that isn't a "whatever you can write on topic x in an hour" exercise. Diving into a screenplay (of which I have only a laymen's understanding of) seems like biting off more than I can chew and setting myself up for yet another abandoned idea.
A few potentially key events came to mind very early in the sketching, and as I tried to capture my initial thoughts, the scenes read like a screenplay screen description, but that may just indicate that I need to finish the skeleton and then go back and flesh things out with actual...writing. So all of this has more to do with not knowing enough about my creative process and less to do with the idea that I actually have something that would make a compelling screenplay (or short story for that matter).
aka ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
"Follow your bliss." - Joseph Campbell
"There is no one right way to live." - Daniel Quinn (Ishmael)
Sounds very interesting, I'll check it out. I enjoyed Kapuszinski's (sp) Travels with Herodotus, which sounds somewhat in the same vein.Originally posted by Petrobey
Yes, it's along similar lines. I'm thinking of writing my own. It would be called Travels with Pausanias, Leake and Leigh Fermor.Originally posted by DaphneBlack
See, I think the word "pitiful" doesn't belong in a sentence that includes "I just sold" and "stories". Maybe I'll feel differently after I actually sell some. (So far, my life's total income from writing is a hundred dollar essay prize.) (Doesn't skaldic poetry rely on meter and alliteration, not rhyme? That's why you're a unique skald.)Originally posted by Skald the Rhymer
And if and when I do make a professional sale, I'll have to resist the urge to start a "Truly I am Very Great" thread. But it'll be a good day.
OK... So i nosed around here at the new board and it was THIS thread that made me decide to register. I do love to talk about my writing...
As always, I have several stories in the works. My favorite, and the one I think will most likely see publication, is the story of a small-time singer who is involved in a car wreck after a concert and is paralyzed from the waist down. He has no family and ends up with one of his fans as his caretaker. I thoroughly love the characters-they have gotten so comfortable together they feel like an old married couple.
My characters become family to me.
I'm glad I started the thread to prompt you to register. I think all writers secretly need to talk about their work--and it's interesting to see what people have to say, so we all win.Originally posted by PapSett
She hasn't tied him to the bed, has she?As always, I have several stories in the works. My favorite, and the one I think will most likely see publication, is the story of a small-time singer who is involved in a car wreck after a concert and is paralyzed from the waist down. He has no family and ends up with one of his fans as his caretaker. I thoroughly love the characters-they have gotten so comfortable together they feel like an old married couple.
I definitely hear ya on that one.My characters become family to me.
I'm in Vegas this weekend, at the EPIC (Eletronic Publishing Internet Connection) Convention. Normally, this would not be my scene (I am not a social creature), but we have nine finalists in this year's award ceremonies, so we drove down here yesterday. Paradoxically enough, I'm probably going to get more writing done this weekend than any other weekend of the year!
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Hey, that's exactly like my story, except my character is paralyzed from the waist up. Damn it.Originally posted by PapSett
It's nothing particularly original, in effect we increased the capacitance of a polymer using nano-particles as a filler. It's been done before, but not in exactly the same way, so I can't go into too much detail until after its published (my supervisor is a bit paranoid about giving details out which might derail the rest of the project of which this is just phase 1).Originally posted by Baldwin
Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth - Marcus Aurelius
I also have the 'problem' of falling in love with characters, PapSett. (Not in my dissertation, though! Those bastards can go to hell, I tell ya!)
The problem comes when I love them so much, I can't kill them off, like I'd planned.
LOL... no, she hasn't tied him to the bed... not that she'd need to, y'know, since he can't... walk. :-D There have been several refernces to that 'other' book, tho. ;-)
I agree... writers NEED to talk about their writing. I don't know why exactly. But it is avery important part of my life. I love hearing what others think of my work; several of my friends that are reading along talk about the characters as if they are mutual friends, real people. That is the ultimate copmplement to me!
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I'm not good at the advice. Can I offer you a sarcastic comment instead?
I'd like to look at it. Love the premise.Originally posted by cmyk
I've got one novel finished I'm trying to find a publisher/agent for, which is soul-crushing work. I want to work on my new novel, but I think maybe I need to re-write the old one again. I just don't know if it's any good anymore--if it's even worth editing, or if I should just move on.
It's called Box of Birds, and is an absurdist comedy about two renaissance-era witches who have been reincarnated as southern suburban housewives. If anyone want's to look at a couple of chapters and offer advice, I'd love to hear it. Or perhaps someone wants a writing partner? I really don't have anyone here to partner up with.
I finished my novel just before New Years, have done two editing passes on it and am now eagerly awaiting the first feedback from my two betareaders. I'm frightened by the concept of actually being done with this part and having to try and find an agent or publisher. Regular confirmation of suckitude doesn't sound too warm and inviting.
I am trying to write a novel. For once in my life, an idea really gelled in my head, with characters that feel real when I think about them. Unfortunately, this occurred about halfway through NaNoWriMo, while I was in the midst of attempting my zombie-apocalypse magnum opus. (I've attempted and failed NaNo two years in a row, now.)
My primary obstacle at this point is getting into a habit of daily writing. , because until now, all the writing I've done has been in fits and starts, and none of it ever gets finished.
And you can't call yourself a writer if you never finish anything.
Besides the discipline issue, there's also one of confidence. There are so many excellent writers in the world, a lot of the time I feel like there's no point in my even attempting to put myself among them.
I am working on a book about a plague that devastates the United States (decimate doesn't begin to cover it...more like, one out of 12 people survive) and turns a lot of those who "survive" into vampires. Stuff changes. A lot. There's books and science and music and people falling in love, too.
We are human after all...
AKA meenie7
This is in no way meant to be a discouragement, but -- please tell me you've read I am Legend.Originally posted by CrashMyBicycle
Finishing that first draft means you've gotten further than most would-be writers ever do.Originally posted by Harlequin
Actually, this is my second novel. I have a handful of letters of refusal from my first try ten years ago. I like to think that I've gotten better in the last decade.Originally posted by Baldwin
Fake the confidence, because you're never really going to have any. I don't mean there's something about you that makes it impossible to be confident, just writers in general. Let's say you do something the vast majority of people never can--you finish a novel. You feel pretty good about yourself until you start the submission process, and then as somebody said upthread, you realize it's soul crushing. Your confidence is at an all time low, but somehow, you keep pushing yourself. Let's say you sell that book and you're feeling pretty good. There are the edits, which may or may not break your heart. Then there are the reviews--and a number of people only register their reaction if they have very strong feelings. In other words, you only see the bad ones, never the good ones. Then you begin to wonder if everybody will figure out you're an imposter, and make you stop writing, and take away your book. Then, you get the sales report, which may or may not make you cry. And then, if you're really, really lucky, you get to go through the whole process a second time.Originally posted by Orual
So you gotta fake it. If you want to write, you just have to write. If you worry about what other people are doing, you're going to be paralyzed.
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Write a new book, then go back and edit the old one. You'll learn a lot writing something completely different, and when you return to the first one, you'll be amazed at what you missed.Originally posted by renee
I ought to get this tattooed on my forehead, so I can see it in the mirror every morning.Originally posted by pepperlandgirl
Thank you. I think your perspective is a lot more useful than others I've gotten.
Heh, yes, I have. This is nothing like that -- just to start with, this is told from the side of the vampires. There are two main characters and three "second leads," and all of them are vampires -- three who were vampires before this disaster and two that became vampires in it. Society does not collapse like it did in I Am Legend -- it's just very, very different and not as good.Originally posted by Baldwin
We are human after all...
AKA meenie7
Well, I can't offer any advice for the fiction writers because my fiction writing always sucked ginormous donkey balls. I devote my talents (such as they are) to my professional discipline (philosophy). Right now, I'm doing a revise and resubmit for a journal. The article is on an aspect of the problem of evil in the philosophy of religion. The R&R is due April 9th; it helps having a deadline, or else I would push it off until summer.
"Commit it then to the flames, for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion." David Hume
Ooh, Sophistry, that sounds fun. I've only looked at that question really from the ancient-historian direction in the works of Augustine, but it fascinates me.
Well, now that I know English is your second language, I'm still more impressed.Originally posted by Harlequin
The novel is in my first language, so not much cause for being impressed there. Thanks anyway, I'll take all the praise I can get.Originally posted by Baldwin
It is fun, actually. It makes up for the fact that I'll never get rich in this profession!Originally posted by DaphneBlack
"Commit it then to the flames, for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion." David Hume
Sorry for the late response. My computer went AWOL for a while there. It's still technically broken, but functioning until I can truly fix it.Originally posted by pepperlandgirl
The "brave" comment was made in reference to that Dave Eggers book. What is it? A Staggering Work of Heartbreaking Genius? It was specifically targeted toward memoir-fiction, but was followed up by a comment about people in their 20s not knowing enough about life/not having enough life experience to tackle building a fictional world. It filled me with trepidation, I'm afraid. I think it all boils down to me being a perfectionist and not having very much confidence as a writer, for all the positive feedback I've received. It doesn't help either that most of the people I've shown my work to in real life are all, "Oh, Sarah! You and your little hobbies are so cute!" Which honestly just makes me want to make with the face punching.
And the scariest part is that I do have potential, and it would be awful if I let their potential slip by. /angsting
Thank you! It has not been edited, past removing some (not all) typos, because it was NaNoWriMo, and the first rule of NaNoWriMo is no editing.Originally posted by pepperlandgirl
It's so lovely! There's so much heavy stuff going on around those two brothers that their interaction, even if it's about the heavy stuff, provides a little respite from it. I'm kind of tempted just to have the book be about the two brothers hanging out, but "two medieval knights chilling in a Welsh inn" is not much of a plot.Originally posted by pepperlandgirl
You know, when I have a character that's going to kick the bucket in the course of the story, I generally know they're going to do it when I introduce them or shortly after. The best part about romance is that you know that the two main characters have to survive, because there must be a happy ending. If there's not, then there is rioting in the streets. Romance readers get pissed off like crazy when there is no happy ending or it's a bittersweet one.Originally posted by pepperlandgirl
Indeed. I fully admit to writing romance because I want the happy endings. You can imagine how well that declaration went over with the Serious Writers in my graduate program/writing workshops.Originally posted by MsPurlMcKnittington
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Snobs! Romance is not just about euphemistic fucking; it's about *gasp* life. The idea that romance is "easy" to write because it's formulaic makes me so mad. Character-driven is just as hard as plot-driven, thanks. I'm sure those Serious Writers had never actually read within the genre.Originally posted by pepperlandgirl
Anyway, preaching to the choir! You know this already.
The appeal of romance for me was always the happy ending. Why in the world are the things where everyone dies in the end called "romance" in movies? I don't get that. Titanic is a "romance." Well, not according to the rules I have in my head!
There's actually a huge debate among romance readers/writers whether books like Gone With the Wind and movies like Titanic are technically "romances". In general, the first person who calls Romeo and Juliet "the greatest romance of all time" is the first one to lose the debate, regardless of what side they're on. I actually call unhappy endings "love stories." In my head, "love stories" are the tragic ones, and "romances" are the happy ones. I don't know if that's how other people make the distinction, though.
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I like how it is in your head.Originally posted by pepperlandgirl
Right now, I'm working on:
Second novel - the characters are not co-operating with the ending.
Short stories as they come to me
Fact Sheets, largely about aircraft, which I'm turning into minisites as I go so I can get some extra cash.
A possible wargame publication.
And moving house and jobhunting. My output's dropped a bit...