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    Yeah, so not sure what the policy is on starting threads.

    Don't see too many here, actually.

    Yeah, yeah, OK.

    So I saw *The French Connection* again the other night, and the first half of *The French Connection 2*, which I hadn't seen, and, actually didn't know existed. The *FC* is a much, much better movie than I remember -- actually pretty fucking good.

    I didn't realize that Roy Scheider must have been like the tits or something even in the early 1970s, pre-Jaws, pre-whatever-that-Fosse-movie-was-called. (Even pre-*2010*! OK, kidding about the last. The only thing I still find amusing about that movie is the only thing I thought was memorable when I was a child and saw it -- "easy like cake!")

    Oh yeah, so whatever.

    Right. So, why was Hackman's character nicknamed "Popeye" anyway?

    Some French asshole in *FC2* joked about it, like "I bet you like the spinach! harhar," but that doesn't count.

    Yeah, so hook me up with some deets.

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    Well, the character in the movie was called Popeye because he was based upon the real life character, Eddie Egan, who's nickname was Popeye. Now, you are going to ask why was Eddie Egan called Popeye. I'm not sure. Hello, in pictures I seen of them he does look a little bit like Popeye. I'll see if I can find out more.

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    Goddammit I'm not some stoop who doesn't know it was like real true life, just like what the hell!

    No, I seen pictures of Egan. He actually is a pretty suave looking dude, not like that fucking freak Popeye.

    I was hanging just now with my painter buddy and clicked on just for fun a bit of *Gold Diggers of 1933* to have something going on after we'd exhausted my stores of Samson's performances of Ravel.

    So, like my thoughts is that Ginger Rogers was the perfect leading lady for the 1930s America. Not too pretty, not too ugly, just kind of about right.

    My little friend did have a good perspective on post-war technicolor musicals -- I was, and am still, dismissive of spectacles like *Oklahoma* and so forth, but he, as a gay man, had a personal perspective that was also sociological in scope, namely, kids, eh, what you gonna do. You know, the war and stuff and the creep of show-biz culture outside of the confines of the Broadway.

    You know, he had some flattering memories of *Gold Diggers of 1937*, particularly of Dick Powell....I'm sorry I didn't give that one a fair chance, so I guess I'm going to at least check out a few of the numbers this non-Busby-liking person had good things about to say.

    Right after I get done watching the *House of Cards* (or whatever it's called) season 2. Fucking A! Talk about a season fucking opener. Yeah, that Spacey kid is all right, and I'd forgotten how much I "liked" "watching" that pretty girl who is the reporter.

    She has a great ass, and I have my head all the way up there.

    Speaking of...........never mind, that's off-topic, but it's an interesting story.

    Eh, I'll be back, I just have to go to my bedroom and close the door with the door locked.

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    Goddammit I'm not some stoop who doesn't know it was like real true life, just like what the hell!

    No, I seen pictures of Egan. He actually is a pretty suave looking dude, not like that fucking freak Popeye.

    I was hanging just now with my painter buddy and clicked on just for fun a bit of *Gold Diggers of 1933* to have something going on after we'd exhausted my stores of Samson's performances of Ravel.

    So, like my thoughts is that Ginger Rogers was the perfect leading lady for the 1930s America. Not too pretty, not too ugly, just kind of about right.

    My little friend did have a good perspective on post-war technicolor musicals -- I was, and am still, dismissive of spectacles like *Oklahoma* and so forth, but he, as a gay man, had a personal perspective that was also sociological in scope, namely, kids, eh, what you gonna do. You know, the war and stuff and the creep of show-biz culture outside of the confines of the Broadway.

    You know, he had some flattering memories of *Gold Diggers of 1937*, particularly of Dick Powell....I'm sorry I didn't give that one a fair chance, so I guess I'm going to at least check out a few of the numbers this non-Busby-liking person had good things about to say.

    Right after I get done watching the *House of Cards* (or whatever it's called) season 2. Fucking A! Talk about a season fucking opener. Yeah, that Spacey kid is all right, and I'd forgotten how much I "liked" "watching" that pretty girl who is the reporter.

    She has a great ass, and I have my head all the way up there.

    Speaking of...........never mind, that's off-topic, but it's an interesting story.

    Eh, I'll be back, I just have to go to my bedroom and close the door with the door locked.

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    I wish I had more time to watch old movies. Some of the pre-Production Code movies are surprisingly racy.

    Actually, there's a fair bit of sex in the Code movies, once you understand the conventions that were used to make the point. Once you watch the Maltese Falcon, for example, with an appreciation of who was banging who, it gets even crazier.

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    Yeah, when I was a kid all that stuff about the perfumed hankie and all that wasn't something I really knew about.

    Someday I'll get around to seeing the surviving Lubitsch movies from the 1920s -- even though Lubitsch was known as being the most tasteful man in movies (I guess) even in his early 1930s movies there's still some pretty "hot" stuff. Well, it's hot to me, anyway, but that's not saying much!

    Not so up on the silent movies, except the ueber-famous ones.

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    Det. Jimmy "Popeye" Doyle was based on NYPD Det. Eddie Egan, whose nickname was also Popeye. According to this NYT obit, he got the nickname because he once flexed his muscles after chasing a perp: http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/06/ny...ies-at-65.html

    I've been watching a lot of movies lately: Hard Eight (pretty good Vegas neo-noir), G.I. Joe: Retaliation (very silly, but with some impressive action sequences), Capote (about the author's research and conflicted writing of In Cold Blood).

    I liked House of Cards very much (both the British original and the pretty different American remake). I've seen season 1 but haven't started season 2 yet.

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    Hah! Mystery solved! Thanks. Still not 100% convinced there isn't more to the story, but it's close enough for jazz.

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    Right, so I remember in *Footlight Parade* and in the Lubitsch movie with Melvyn Douglas (I think that was him....can't remember the name of the flick) and Merle Oberon the two great instances of index finger pointing at (a) the crotch of a man with reference to thinking with "that head," and (b) the belly of Oberon in some kind of bizarre bit of business in the latter. Can't remember what the joke was in that last one. It kind of sucked, though.

    And, who can forget the various states of undress of people like Joan Blondell and so forth in *Gold Diggers of 1933* and *1935* -- I think those tv trope people call it something like "fan service," which, at least for me, it definitely is, but the nice thing about those two pictures is the non-exploitative, proto-feminist tenor of those scenes. Simply presented as these women cohabitating and doing regular stuff in a matter-of-fact way, taking baths, changing clothes, all that. And, yes, sharing a bed. In a remarkably non-lascivious fashion, is the way these facts are presented.

    Wasn't, in addition to Peter Lorre, the *Maltese Falcon* the one with Elisha Cook, Jr's character? I heard somewhere something about an old slang term "gunsel," probably on wikipedia or one of those. I spent some time a long time ago reading the Chandler and Hammett novels, just killing some time, but I wouldn't have picked up on that slang in a million years.

    But, TBH, I very rarely pay attention to character motivations in fiction and movies -- my attitude is probably either deep or shallow, not sure which, but it's served me well, I guess. Even if it's a limitative attitude, it's mine, and I don't care.

    I confess, as much as I love American and French crime movies and (American, natch) films noirs, *Maltese Falcon* (and another famous one, *Asphalt Jungle*) are kind of not my favorites. Oh well, just put it down to taste. Or lack of it, depending on your view.

    Huston, when he, apparently, grew up out of his man-child phase, turned out OK, particularly in the 1970s, but it seemed to take him a while to find his place. *Beat The Devil* is another Bogey-Huston flick that I could never really figure out how to enjoy. I guess not everyone is cut out to blog about movie reviews, due to inattention and apathy.

    Oh yeah, so like true to thread topic..............I often have questions, but I forget them........think of one.........right, somebody probably has read Levon Helm's autobiography (I just haven't had the time, nor the money to buy it).

    How *did* LH get into acting, anyway? My impression is that he was a pretty rough old boy all around, in addition to being a superior artist (a rock singer and drummer). Kind of outside-the-loop from Hollywood.

    Yeah, I recently saw finally *Coal-Miner's Daughter* which was a stone groove, but his performance there wasn't indicative of his masterly turn as American hero Jack Ridley (well, maybe not hero, but at least "American original") in, of course, *The Right Stuff*.

    Yeah, I saw and admired *Capote* a number of years ago. You know, I probably shouldn't comment any further. Say what you want about P S-H, I respect him as an artist.

    ETA speaking of Hustons, I did see *Dodsworth* about six or eight months ago. Probably subliminally, being someone who, during times of distress, have reread the David Niven memoirs until they are now a collection of pages held with rubber bands.

    Now, I knew about Huston from the more "action-macho" pictures, but it wasn't until here that I saw what astonishing work could be achieved on a smaller scale in acting. And let's not go into Ruth Chatterton. I get that she's a veteran, but that's the first and only thing I've seen her in. And she was pretty good looking too -- actually, beautiful, both physically (but I'm not hard to please) and in terms of her expressivity and ability to portray honesty and duplicity in a single character.

    And, no comedians, I didn't revise on this edit my statement about *Capote* -- that's my rule. Don't delete, only add. Although I cannot promise to not change formatting to a smaller type, for example. In fact, I promise nothing.

    ETTA oh, that wasn't clear, I was talking about Walter Huston in the ETA, not sonnyboy.
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    Robocop! I won't lie to you, I was thinking about his chubby little fake Ali Larter wife.

    Even fucking Oldman, Drexel himself, sucked. In fact all of the science crew sucked. They had the worst dialogue of any 2014 movie so far, and just the worst everything.

    Michael Keaton was doing that thing with his arms. In fact, both he and Jackson seemed to be mostly riffing off their Tarantino performances (Keaton's is same role as in...*Jackie Brown*, exactly, Jackson somewhat a little of *Pulp Fiction*'s thing with the eyes -- kind of an inside joke, I think. Oldman escaped the *True Romance* prison, but back into his Batman "mr serious" thing....meh).

    One of Samuel L Jackson's very best roles, though, I feel. He kind of made the movie for me. Kind of channelling Jules Winfield, Billy Dee's hair shilling Colt 45, the director of SeaWorld in Jaws3D. If you don't believe me, wait until you see the whole thing.

    Even his scenes were spoiled by all that 3D projection technology -- that stupid little technoshit they did in that Avenger movies with the Ironman. Do people think that nerd shit is cool or something? Well, whatever. Goddammed fucking nerds and stupid technology.

    And that fake military weapons guy with the scumbag beard and stupid facial expressions. I think I recognize the actor -- nothing against him, but enough with the straight out of central casting "characters."

    I liked it quite a lot, actually. Yeah, I like the real one too, but it's not like my favorite movie like it is for some people (not making fun -- I can see how people can geek out on the original!)

    Yeah, the dude who played Murphy was cool -- don't know who that was. But it was a Samuel L Jackson joint and we're all just smoking on it! Pretty cool movie. I still like Murphy's fat little wife, though. She had a private income, right? Because they weren't living the way they did on a cop salary.
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    Yeah but here's a real movie question. So, being a huge David Lynch necrophile -- best dialogue in the business, and visuals even a half-blind know-nothing like me can enjoy -- I finally *finally* got around to watching *Straight Story* today (well, most of it -- it might be a two-parter for me). (Well, I guess not a superfan, since I'm just getting around to this one and still haven't been able to make it through *Inland Empire* -- but in the latter it's that "my" copy is dubbed in Italian and I can't really understand it. And I guess that makes me a liar about being able and willing to sit through a lot of really questionable spectacles -- and I hate all kinds of deception, so I guess that makes me a self-hating.....this is a bad road so I'm getting off it).

    I thought word on the street was it was kind of like a straight story. Did people actually think this? I hope to never see anything like that outside of a dream (aka IRL). Hallucinatory. Maybe it was just the way it looked -- I guess it was shot on video, as all the kids are doing now -- but it had that kind of gleam to it.

    No, that's a weird fucking movie. So, did people think that was a straight movie?

    "I hear that's a real party place, Wisconsin"

    "I....uh....hate....a Braunschweiger!"

    "Oh, jeez Alvin....it's my grabber. Oh jeez Alvin....that's a darn good grabber. Ohhhhh. jeez Alvin. Ten dollars!"

    "What do ya need that grabber fer, Alvin? ---....grabbin'."

    "I played Public Enemy real loud!!!!!!! He's dead!!! And I love deer!"

    I liked that little scene -- not going to spoiler box it, even though I wonder why everyone doesn't have the neat spoiler box you guys have, instead of that shitty little "click to see" thing or that ueber-annoying "hit CTRL-A select-all to view hidden text every other line" -- where Straight drives on past that snotty little hitch-hiking meth-head woman. Wait, she was a preggo. Reminds me of every day some punk kids giving me static, just because I'm awesome and don't pussyfoot around town like a little shy animal and don't look like some bum who just got out of the gym or walking some shitty little scroungy dog taking shits all over town like a hobo yuppie NYer.

    Oh, holy shit. Either this is (a) really bad deja-vu (b) an acid flashback or (c) I've seen this movie before.

    OK, I see it now. After Alvin starts sharing things about WWII during his layover to get his mower fixed, it develops, the movie, into a moving character study. See, we didn't know anything about this guy before, just the same way some boob on the internet barking questions elicits neither sympathy nor respect, but now there's a motivation.

    OK, yes, I would call it a straight story. Even the music (which I kind of liked) was straight.

    Holy shit, that was Sissy Spacek as Alvin's daughter? Wow. That must have been a fun role to play, I guess.
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    And another movie question. I got around to seeing *Bedtime Story* (1964, Shirley Jones, Niven, Brando) -- I think after hearing about it from some thread on some other board about movies. Pretty much most of the *Dirty Rotten Scoundrels* is shot-for-shot, line-for-line remake of this. Did people know this when *DRS* dropped? Cause I remember seeing that in a rare theater outing with either my parents or just my dad as a kid, and it was a pretty big movie, IIRC. So people had to have like compared the two in the press.

    It was good to see Brando do something non-differently-abled in the 1960s.

    But, did they? Did *YOU*???????????????

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    Oh, I also watched today *The Oxford Murders*. It sucked. I think it was the spider-boy kid or one of those troll hobbit people. But I really liked his little girlfriend. Squash (that game rich people play) with no sports bra. And she really needed one. That is all.

    That little dwarf boy sucked and his character was a moron, utterly unbelievable as a supposedly bright student.

    I guess John Hurt probably had fun with his little character, with that Robbie Robertson hairdo and incoherent, imbecilic speeches.

    Oh now, dwarf boy's little girlfriend she gets nude. Well close enough. Those are nice. Good stuff. Highly recommended.

    Oh hey, not as spicy by a damned site...actually I was on my way to have a private moment, but it has that little French actor who looks like a deranged degenerate (all of them, right -- well the short one....wait....well, he has light hair, that kind of narrows it down, somewhat).

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    OK, there's a later scene in *Oxford Murders* where it's full nude. And long time, too.

    This is the highest quality porno I have ever seen. This one I'm keeping for further screenings.

    OK, maybe it was slightly redeemed at the end by reminding me of a few old favorites: the movie *F For Fake* and the novel *The Recognitions*. Maybe not the best of ideas in this shabby triptych -- kind of played out rumination, by now, but I still like it.

    Yeah, so the moral is, counterfeiting is an interesting topic, and Leonor Watkin is a splendid actress, full of talent, and she is my age too and she sings too and stuff. She has a lot of talent, that one.

    Yeah, so I was rereading David Lewis's *Parts of Classes* and came across something I didn't know DL did, since I don't know very much about his work -- a book called *Convention* --

    presumably about the concept of conventions.

    That sounds really interesting. Maybe I will start a thread about that. There's a good entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy called, just, "Convention."

    ETA

    Yeah, so since it needs a question (my "review" of *Robocop* should have been cast into 1-pt type), I cheated and looked up that troll kid -- he wasn't the spiderboy. Well I looked up his name, not his filmography nor his wiki pagePretty sure he was that freaky thing in one of the *Saw* movies, too.

    So, is he considered a pretty good actor or something? Because, while I disagree that his character in *TOM* was plausible as a literate, educated adult, especially toward the end, the kid seemed to do OK.

    He was in one of those hobbit troll-people movies, right?

    So, non-trivia question, should I see some of that? I don't roll with english-major hobbit-people things, but I like Peter Jackson's *Heavenly Creatures* quite a bit, so maybe he's OK and maybe "his movies" are, in general, too.

    I've come around to believing that pure-director auteur theory is not, in every or even many cases, correct. I believe it to be true, perhaps much more so since the 1970s mainstreamed what people like Ida Lupino and everybody started, that the producer (the Mark Hellingers, everybody like that)...probaby a reason the producer gets the Picture oscar.

    Oh, I heard that was last night. I can't get my DTV box hooked up -- I think it's broken -- but I haven't sat through that in years. Who was the hostess? That Macfarlane person?
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    OK, a man-composer would put the few actual questions in bold and shrink in size the extraneous commentary. But ur all adults, so whatever. I think there are some questions here, so I qualify for posting in this my thread (gawd how stupid is that -- that's why u guys are adults and so faint in the butthurt department and therefore awesome).

    Watched a bit of the remake of *Carrie* (I never got around to seeing the real one, but I guess I know the plot good enough).

    That was the most unerotic scene possible, of young women in a swimming pool. Normally I like the lady business, but this has taken all the fun out of menstruating women for me. Just completely ruined it.

    Well, I guess they are in high school so, therefore, idiots, and also stupid and ugly, and unappealing as women since they are not full of womanly charms, so there's that.

    But since it's only a movie, I demand less verisimilitude.


    I did learn a good thing to say to someone while acting all indignant: "You ate shit, Carrie!"

    Probably that future cow said "You ain't shit," but I like "You ate shit!" far better. No, sounds too close to you ain't shit. Have to go with "You eat shit!"

    Oh wait graffiti on lockers "Carrie White Eats Shit!" Awesome. Much better.

    Oh, new one: "Plug it up!" No, I'm not a fan of period blood anymore.

    Is that Julianne Moore? Goddammit. She just sucks. I know a lot of you people think she's excellent or whatever. She eats shit.

    Oh yeah I got to pull out a chestnut today. Waiting to cross a street, along with a lot of other people, some dudebro out some car window say something unintelligible to me. I say the correct response, "Go fuck yourself." I don't know what middlebro said, maybe it was raining and I didn't use an umbrella or had my shades on or had a rolled cigarette hanging out of my mouth and it looked like a J or something. Don't know, don't care. The POINT is, that sometimes you have to go back to basics. Go fuck yourself.

    I don't know why I haven't been using this more often -- I forgot about it, and I don't think non-math people would recognize it, like those fake nerds the scientific technicians or engineers or the autistically crippled video game assholes. Of course, Bourbaki's "dangerous bend" symbol. Hey I should start tagging things around town with that. There's not enough graffiti around -- the most "radical" any of these weak little students is getting fat, wearing glasses, and talking loudly about stupid fad diets and whatever differently-abled poetry and politics they heard someone say something about.

    They smell like fart.
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    On my never-ending quest to find more Leonor Watkin, I watched (well, most of it) a happy find, that little indigo child who was in the remake of Dawn for the dead, Sarah Polley, *..................My Life Without Me*.

    Eh, gross. Some idiot differently-abled person who happens to be a non-grotesque female is, like, dying or whatever of some cancer or whatever, and her whole big plan is to go bone some r....differently-abled douchebag. fine, whatever.

    That is one steaming pile of nothing, as both a "story" and a "movie."

    So my question is, when did all movie "strips" (substitute "script" if you like) start pretending (a) they were relevant to movies whatsoever (historically, screenplays are irrelevant to anything to do with movies) and (b) start being written by people with a 20-something's sensibility of dialogue?

    I blame the media.

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    Well, I kind of assume that once the technology became available to make OK looking movies pretty cheaply, it was inevitable that you'd get a lot of movies with 20 something angst, because hey, you can do it.

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    That's a pretty good point. Thanks! Yeah, it didn't used to be like that, with terrible drama-school dialogue straight out of college or high-school juveniles. Maybe it was, but it seemed to have stayed in the classroom. I think it's kids today, the millenium Justin Bieber generation, who suck at everything.

    *Nebraska*. Funny fucking movie. Got to get my Bruce Dern "Black sunday" hero back on. I didn't know he was still alive, or even what happened to him. I guess I thought he was dead or went crazy or something. It's like an Addam's Family sequel, very nice. Maybe not everybody might think it's funny, but I was laughing all through it. Good stuff. Dark comedy is how I would call it.

    Even that third-tier dweeb who did all the crappiest skits from SNL was pretty good. I didn't know he was a real actor man. Guess so. Huh. Good for him. And it had the guy from *Mr Show* who is brothers with one of those *The Simpsons* nerds. Could have used some more of him -- he's a funny guy. It's all good, man!

    So here's a legitimate question. Probably somebody might know this. Maybe not here, but an iFriend of a iFriend. I'm guessing Bob Odenkirk and David Cross were just fucking high on weed all the fucking time on *Mr Show*. I speculate that Odenkirk's trademark laconic, lazy, deadpan shiftless shuffle might have been created in a lab, and the lab's name was maryJane.

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    Second time through *The Drawn Together Movie*. You wouldn't think so, but that one holds up. Didn't care for it the first time, at all, but I suspect I the Joose may have been loose when I saw it, so wasn't really paying attention. Oh yeah, for those playing along at home, Joose is a beverage 12% ABV in 24oz cans, the best flavors of which are Mango and Marguerita. The Mango actually does taste like Mango, right down to the kind of tartness. And it doesn't turn your "movements" weird colors like 4Loko. I figure that's about 6 drinks in one easy-to-digest package. I think you're being an impecunious spendthrift goldbrick if you *don't* drink the Joose. For ease of consumption and turning that boring old coffee into an exciting, nutritious meal, a pint of whiskey is still the king, but once you have it open, you just drink it eventually and then you're kind of sloshy, whereas Joose is for those with plans, the up-and-comers, if you will. It's all about moderation. It does reek, though, and if you spill some on yourself, even after washing your clothes, it still stinks, and the smell will never come out of paper products, like books, notebooks, whatever. Just having an open can is a pretty nasty smell in itself, just wafting around like bad cologne or something.

    Hey so here's a Q: I read somewhere this was done in one of those computer programs, like Adobe flash or some whatever. So, is that like hard to do? Like people do that for cartoons, right, like big name major movies, right? So, is that like totally shaved like a hairless Manx or what do you guys and spitz think about all that?

    Also, it was funny send-up of those Southpark people, with the "Suck My Taint Girl" and some little song and stuff. So like were that Southpark people like "shit yeah! do eet! lurve you guys!" or were they like all pissed off and shit? They went too long with that, though, got boring. Southpark is just funny to laugh at, because of the differently-abled idiocy of all that pseudo-political garbage, and every non-Cartman song they do, but it's really just one or two jokes and then move on already. Everyone knows it's politics for people who think daily show is informative.

    Yeah, so movie review time. Yeah, it's sort of vile comedy, but I could have used some more vileness. That would have been like porno, though. Is that technically a porno if it's just a cartoon? I mean they got the fingerblasting of the Foxxy in it, "one finger? when you come back you got to be bringing at least a big toe!" Pretty amusing visual of the Foxxy bush.

    And was that really Seth MacFarlane doing that synthesized voice of that machine-bot? Or were they just fucking with him in the credits...I think they'd get sued for that shit, maybe, so something. That's the worst part of the movie, seeing that assbag's name in the credits. He's the kind of person who, were I of that persuasion, would be pissed off at for setting back gay rights a long way. Rampant, crude misogyny, and the worst possible taste in camp-gay music, and he seems like a really unpleasant, loud, boorish, dumb RL person, from what little I've unfortunately observed. And his regular voice is ugly, and his fugly sister is a really shitty singer who keeps smearing her taint all over *Robot Chicken.* Well, maybe I am not technically allowed to be offended by all that, but as a part-plastic paddy, I can think his misappropriation of American Irish Catholic lifestyle choices is crude, baseless, proud, arrogant, and ignorant.
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    I saw Nebraska a few months ago and liked it OK, I guess, although it was a bit too bleak and slow-paced for my tastes.

    Last night I saw Midnight Run for the first time - it's a very good unlikely-buddies-on-the-run road movie from 1988.

    I also recently saw Somm, a fantastic documentary about the difficulties of becoming an internationally-rated wine expert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4zeyuk8hL8

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    My wife and I just watched Dear Mr Watterson, a documentary about "Calvin and Hobbes". Hey, everybody loves those rascals. And it's fascinating how many cartoon museums there apparently are.

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    You're not my accountant.

    OK, fine, how many cartoon museums *are* there?

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    Fine, so here's a little movie "review" or rant or whatever, just to say happy St. Patrick's day early and there is a REALLY fucking loud-ass hen-party/co-ed "study" group in one of the private rooms near "my" desk up at this library. And, yes, whatever assumptions you may have about the appearances and comportment of these "people" are probably correct. But new thing for me I started wearing earplugs out in public, and haven't taken them out for hours, and it just happened I was glad! The less time I have to spend filtering out some assnecked hillbilly asshole's screeching about whatever, the better. And these are flesh-colored earplugs, so I don't look like too much of a freak, just probably some regular person blissfully unaware of whatever bullcrap is going on around me. Like a hip Mr. Magoo.

    Since I don't have a question, really, I'll put it in low size or whatever. Seriously, that movie just sucked and makes me want to nuke France.

    *Society of the Spectacle* -- this movie is to an otherwise set of good ideas as loud, unsophisticated jargon-mongers crying wolf, generally blubbering, are to any progressive agenda, like feminism or anti-bigotry.

    Anyway, this is a rare case where the book is far better than the movie. And not because of renaissance nerd fishwife "oh my, the nahhhhvel is so much richer in texture, and I like to imagine my own little characters!" Jam it up your crankhole and/or twat, book nerds. "We read booooks in this household!" No, lady or sir, no, you don't, so cram it and stop fronting and making regular people want to cut you if you want to live a long life. Illiterate.

    I don't think that really happens very often, some "book" being better than a movie. Probably mainly is that people mistake pamphlets by scientific specialists or journalists as books, in the traditional sense, or bits of discarded hair and dental floss like pulp rags, or whatever. Adaptations of actual classics (not counting Jane Austen or some other modern abominations elevated through faddishness the gluten-free bicycles of the world, but serious literary works, considered independent of historical situatedness or encrusted-ness in tradition).

    Yeah, so movies like this one are what make people hate art movies. And so many more just like it. Dreyer > Bergman. Truffaut > Godard. Ozu > Kurosawa. It's about being humble, small, restricted in scope, and dedicated to smaller effects. It's also why children like the millenials and anyone under thirty are crap and always have been.


    ETA oh yeah and so that's why I'm not boning for this little "formal languages" test this afternoon, but doing this instead.....maybe.
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    Well two is more than I would have guessed.

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    Well that's nuts. Ask anybody, they'll tell you there's at least two cartoon museums. At least!

    That's just common sense.

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    Yeah, but did your high school guidance counsellor ever say anything about "Cartoon Museum Curator?"

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    I hear it's an exciting field in shortage of qualified, high-energy, customer-service-oriented specialists.

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    Oh yeah so I don't really understand the shwarma thing from *The Avengers* (rifftrax version!). Yeah, I get the post-credits scene, just the Avengers doing their version of hiding out from the Man in a densely populated public place, having some fast food. Whatever, cute, I guess.

    But the earlier thing where that guy with the weird beard and the suit is fixated on having a sandwich.

    Is this supposed to be an "AHA!" for the audience, that Tony Stark is actually a cross between "I Am Sam" and a mental patient? I think that's the definition of Aspberger's, actually. It explains (a) his gadget fetishism/his obsession with idiotic things like sandwiches with funny names/fluffy kitties/Pepper Pot(s) (spicy, dangerous, but dank and moist) (b) his inability to function as a human.

    So, much like commander Porkins of Star Wars is meant to elicit strong feelings of empathy from the impossibly overweight-for-the-task-of-doing-things audience, I conclude TS's character is meant as a kind of avatar for the audience -- medium-functioning-Napoleon-complex autistics whose interest in STEM disciplines begins and ends with gadget-manipulation.

    And another thing -- when did it become cool to decide that mathematics and other humanities like logic and formal ontology, mereology, set theory, and design and interpretation of neuroscientific research experiments are just garbage, and that instead, gadgets and technology such as you find valorized in natural sciences and engineering are desiderata for adult research, rather than little toys for man-children?

    The day when people like Huygens, inventor of the calculus, Leibnitz, Descartes, and so forth contributed to knowledge is on the decline. Obviously, people with severe emotional problems like Newton have probably always contributed something, but it's impossible then, as now, to take someone like that seriously, except as a kind of automaton capable of creative reasoning.

    On the plus side, joking during a break with my little electromagnetism buddy who compared group projects in EE courses to the movie *The Hangover*, saying "Yeah, but it's kind of also like *Hangover II*" I got him to admit in a packed lecture hall, "Yeah, because there's always the Asian guy who doesn't know what the fuck he's doing!" Or whatever.

    I love these people, but who the fuck would actually say that out loud? I love it! I contribute in some small way, being old and no longer giving a shit, by telling some cow farting up the sidewalk to move her fat ass, or snidely muttering to some big-camera differently-abled type "Photojournalist!" or "Great artist!" or the occasional "oh.my.gerd!" to some bunch of clucking hens creating an aural stench, but there apparently is a whole level of RL inappropriate I shall never get to experience first-person.

    Oh yeah, is it bad to drink 12 oz. of Triple Sec if you're a guest at someone's house in one giant gulp? Probably.
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    Yeah so ad the last question, yeah, it's probably bad when you chase it with an equal amount of Vermouth and 72 ounces of Camo Black 10.6%. Well, not terrible, but not that discriminating a palate.

    Right, so I used to have a version of *Tombstone* with what I believe to be a joke commentary by some internet person.

    Is it true that Sam Eliot and Kurt Russell grew their own moustaches for the movie?

    And was it known that they had the moustache gene prior to final casting decisions?

    And would a remake of *Blazing Saddles* replace "Randolph Scott!" in the script?

    And is it true that Randolph Scott putted from the rough, maybe with Cary Grant?

    That last, I don't care that much, just am kind of curious, I guess. Awesome actor who did some kick-ass action movies. I still think nearly every day of one of his lines from a Boetticher oater, RS referring to his stache of gold coins: "It's safe where it is!" It's what gives me the attitude I need to carry an old-school pleather laptop bag as my daily carry, in all kinds of sketchy situations.

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    Quote Originally posted by Rube E. Tewesday View post
    My wife and I just watched Dear Mr Watterson, a documentary about "Calvin and Hobbes". Hey, everybody loves those rascals. And it's fascinating how many cartoon museums there apparently are.
    I saw that last year and really enjoyed it. I was a big fan of the cartoon strip back in the day.

    Just saw the documentary Dear Zachary, a heartbreaking story of love, murder and judicial bungling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZXatzQ1kzg. I suggest you NOT read any descriptions of it, as there are twists and turns to the case that are best appreciated when you see the movie.

    I also recently watched Children of Men, a powerful, sometimes-scary dystopic sf thriller set in late 2027, and liked it, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VT2apoX90o

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    Quote Originally posted by Rube E. Tewesday View post
    My wife and I just watched Dear Mr Watterson, a documentary about "Calvin and Hobbes". Hey, everybody loves those rascals. And it's fascinating how many cartoon museums there apparently are.
    Where did you find it? Was it on either Netflix or Amazon?

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    Yeah, so like you guys are doing it wrong. Just trying to keep my thread on track, here.

    That's a little joke.

    So for some ACTUAL FUCKING QUESTIONS THAT NEED FUCKING ANSWERS, just saw *Starship Troopers* this morning (rifftrax) while prepping for a delightfully nice little algorithms course (BTW I totally sucked that test's dick, it was awesome, I totally licked the shaft and everything, and since it was all shaft, it was quite a feat).

    Yeah, so are people who talk about Verhoeven just 100% trolls, auteurists misguided about the role of the director, or have fantastically bad taste?

    Also, another recent rifftrax, *Night of the Lepus* -- I get the feeling the pronunciation of "lepus" in Anglo-scientific language is not, somehow, based on any philological principles, and, of course it is not, and that is why American pronunciation of incorporated words is objectively superior to British or European practice, in terms of effort if not consistency, but I feel that no one pronounces the title as "leepus" except characters within the movie. Is this true?

    Also, Janet Leigh pretty much was a bum by 1974, I'm guessing, right? I mean, that's why she did that, right?

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    Starship Troopers had some good sfx and was a nice spoof of fascism in the Internet age, but if you love the Heinlein novel (as I do) it was a big letdown, esp. as the acting wasn't very good and there was no powered armor.

    I recently saw Philomena with Judi Dench and Steve Coogan, which wasn't as great as the reviews led me to believe but had some nice moments. A nice contemporary tearjerker/character study.

    Last night I watched an old favorite, Heaven Can Wait, a Warren Beatty/Julie Christie bittersweet supernatural romantic comedy (how's that for a description?). Hadn't seen it in many years, and it was just as good as I remember.

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    Did anyone else know that George Kennedy actually WON the oscar for *Cool Hand Luke*?

    I saw a bit of *Creepshow 2* the other day and was all like "damn, who *is* that old guy tending to Chief Woodenhead?" So I looked it up, and it's good old George Kennedy. I didn't know he actually got an oscar for *CHL*. Newman was just OK in that, compared to *Hud* or *The Hustler*, but I would have thought maybe Strother Martin, but never old George.

    I read some of *Starship Troopers* a few years ago -- I remember thinking "Damn this is pretty good prose, I should read this!" I was subtly discouraged from reading the Heinleins with the naked babes on the cover by the old man, but I remember some nearly Judith Krantzian passages in some of them, that I approved of.

    Shockingly, it appears *ST* is on some list by some random people of "100 greatest movies of the 1990s." It was somewhat amusing with the rifftrax, not really, no, no it wasn't.

    You know what is a good movie? *The Last Days of Disco*. Also, that girl's wiki page is ridiculous, that Chloe Sevigny (probably some accents on it, or whatever).

    So, like who writes those wiki pages? Publicists? Friends? Fan people? Her? Her blood kin?

    I liked her in that episode of *Louie*, and she's terrific in *LDoD*, but, no, I haven't been drunk enough to watch *Brown Bunny* yet.

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    I saw *Children of Men* with my lesbian friend on DVD years ago. Shut up, she'd think it was funny. She was all about the long tracking shot, at a time when I wasn't really into movie nerd stuff like that. eta still am not, I hate nerds.

    Question: am I the only one who drunkenly insisted after seeing the movie that it was called *Children of the Earth*, even after being shown repeatedly the DVD case?

    Oh yeah, my abstract algebra for CS potpourri test -- got the scores back. I totally licked its balls, and went back for seconds. Significantly higher than the average, and only eta mumble mumble % pts lower than the high score, which, for having gotten a 3/11 on one of the midterms, makes my term grade of B+ not so bad. Lick it! I don't have to repeat! Yay! I rule!

    Also, Q: do people think Julie Christie is teh hawt? And am I the only one who can't stand the movie *Billy Liar* and dislikes English people IN PART because of how someone very very involved in the movie was to one of my best friends? And also because the movie kind of sucks, IMO?
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    Speaking of *Roadhouse*, am I the only one who didn't know Jeff Healey is actually blind?

    He was one of the highlights of the movie.

    Sorry, Sam Elliot, about misspelling your name "Eliot," you are the voice of beef and your *Robot Chicken* work is very fucking funny.

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    Speaking of Robert Sean Leonard, am I the only one overtly ashamed I, out of habit, hit alt-ctrl-s and MHTd his wiki page? I do that in case my netbook overheats and powers down, which it does regularly, or decide to go to my sane, wifi-free apartment, and want to read the multiple tabs I have open later, but can't count on non-reboot, in which case, since Firefox and Chrome don't store webpages in a cache for offline viewing.

    Something about this feels wrong.

    Oh yeah, so am I the only one who thinks that hurrrdurr House-->Holmes Watson-->Wilson might be OK, but ignorant of Pres. Wilson's little advisor buddy named House, like Colonel House or something like that. I never saw those nerds mention that, and I was too proud until now to admit I did think of it first, apparently.

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    Robert Sean Leonard played a small part in a little known but fairly good movie called the Manhattan Project. This movie is most notable for one awesome line by John Lithgow's character.
    You try to tough it out with them, they'll lock you in a room somewhere and throw away the room.

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    My question is this: after having seen twenty minutes of *Titanic*, I had to stop watching. Even with rifftrax, I found it unwatchable. First of all, what is the kid's name? I get that people call him "Jack," but what is his actual name? So, that's distracting. Also, the kid's acting is not good. Also, something about some ship. Also, some crap about some old lady and some skateboarders looking for treasure or some shit. Also, some other stuff. Also, it appears to be over three hours long. Which sucks.

    Oh yeah, so like my question is, yeah, I can see back in olden days (1990s) people were like "woah, bitching ship and stuff!" but do people actually look at this movie as being anything other than a mere historical curiosity, like *The Robe* or some other nonsense? Pretty sure I heard some radio person saying she has it on DVD and like actually watches it and stuff. Granted, she's not bright or artistic, so her opinion about some movie doesn't matter, but do regular people who like movies think the same way?

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    Holy fucking shit what the hell is wrong with people? Yes, I am talking about *Transformers 3*.

    In what crackhead's fantasy does this in any way resemble the cinematic heritage, and more importantly, is an expression of humanity's spirit, and also, it's 2.5 hours?

    That movie made me sad.

    So, like, who is this kind of stuff meant for? Skateboarder punk kids, I'm guessing.

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    Watched a few minutes of the Calvin documentary. Looks to be a very thoughtful film, unlike my usual fare, so will have to put it off until I can actually pay attention and learn something. Thanks for the tip.

    In other news, the Britney Spears opus, *Crossroads* is very bad indeed. But she has a great ass. I mean, legendary, really. But am I the only one who thinks she kind of has a butt face? I mean who cares, but I guess to each his or her own.

    Also, *The Great Outdoors* sucks, even though John Candy is in it.

    Also, *Canadian Bacon* is pretty amusing.

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    Super Mario Bros. > The Fifth Element

    I played that game three or four times. Cute movie. Way better than The Fifth Element. Actually pretty awesome movie. Also better than that Star Trek with the rock climbing, Cocktail, but not as good as Sneakers.

    Oh yeah, so trivia question. Is Super Mario Bros. supposed to be like a kid's movie? If so, what the hell is wrong with fucking kids these days? Bunch of assnecks with their stupid video games and being multi-ethnic or whatever. Yeah, brave new world my ass.

    No, that's wrong. If the assneck sped parents they want to buy children, they should at least raise them to beat the shit out of their assneck cohort until they're all dead and only the good ones survive. There should be a movie like that, except without the stupid Hunger GamesSuperMarioFifthElementWhatever hair. And another thing, I think I'm tired of camelCase. Maybe the other way is stupid but I guess I like it better.

    Oh, and I fucking hate future hair. What the hell kind of hollywood sped thinks everyone has fucked up hair in every future? You don't see Anna Karina or Eddie Constantine having fucked up hair in Alphaville.

    And another thing, that fucking band called Alphaville sound like people who should be forced to hobo fight actual, gnarly bums with knives and have their genitalia removed when they lose embarassingly. What kind of a sped takes a name off a classic movie? I suppose it's an old enough movie it can be called a classic. Maybe a modern classic.

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    Is the Warren Beatty *Heaven Can Wait* supposed to be a remake?

    I did a double-take when I first read that above, thinking, as a Lubitsch fan (and....Kay Francis.....fapper-onneradmirer of her work), hmmm that sounds a lot like something I saw but didn't like very much (I don't remember why, I think the colors were kind of garish, and not in a cool *Black Narcissus* way).

    Yep, same title. All right, I guess I should probably see the other *Heaven Can Wait* to see what is what. Warren Beatty is OK. I liked *Reds* and remember seeing *Bugsy* and *Dick Tracy* in the theaters, and *Splendor in the grass* was OK and *Bonnie and Clyde* is notable for being one of the few times Faye Dunaway didn't resemble a ghoul.

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    Yes, Heaven Can Wait was a remake of an earlier movie. I've seen both, and Beatty's remake IMHO was far, far superior to the original: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_Comes_Mr._Jordan

    I just saw In Bruges, a violent but very funny dark comedy about two hitmen hiding out in a quaint Belgian town after a botched murder. Highly recommended.

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    OK, I think I sorted it out. So the Lubitsch is still called *Heaven Can Wait* with Don Ameche and Gene Tierney (I don't think she's related to Lau(/w?)rence Tierney, but she's OK by me). And the Warren Beatty picture is not really anything to do with that. Wiki! EH! Yay!

    Hey, *In Bruges* is a really fun movie -- glad u liked it. There's another one with some of the same above-the-line talent, called *The Guard* or something like that, which is also really funny.

    Movie question: am I a nerd if I really liked the *Fantastic Four* movie? 2005, that one. Yes, I've seen all that Avengers Captain Iron Thor, but thought they were really lame, although I did like that Spiderman -- the recent one without the elf-man or whatever who was in *The Oxford Murders*, whose spidermen I don't think I saw, maybe on TV.

    Yes, I will be watching again for bra-and-panties Jessica Alba, and freeze-frame. It's like old people having on the radio for "company." Except better. Oh, dammit, that kind of sucks, well so what.

    Whatever happened with those fantastic people? Tim Roth in *Reservoir Dogs* had a hardon for the silver surfer, I think -- I thought he was a fantastic four.

    And also, why did they call the Volkswagen "The Thing"? Was it supposed to mean The Thing the Thing? Or just The Thing and sheer coincidence. Pretty neat cars, anyway. Those kraut mother fuckers should make two cars only: the new Passats and The Thing. I will allow them those two, and also war reparations, but only to me. Oh yeah there used to be a whole big thing about das Ding Heidegger made a big deal out of it.

    But the only good Heidegger is the automobile designer. Well, he did some OK phenomenology, with still too much metaphysics of death, but on the right track. As usual, those on the periphery surpass those horribly authoritarian and unhinged. Scheler. Stein. (where it is a case of MH's circle -- the more correct EH had a different set of liabilities, but in his case he was merely confused).

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    Heidegger, good version

    Also, does anyone think that Shirley Maclaine and Jack Lemmon ever boned? I think they might have. But JL is so square, man. He was very good in *Grump Old Men* and *Mr Roberts*. That's about it. Was in some very good-to-excellent movies, however. But he was just OK in those. Maybe he was pretty good in *Irma Ladouce*, and he was OK in *Apartment*. But the movies are far better than he was. Good casting him in ILadouce, though.


    Also, what exactly WAS Katharine Hepburn's major malfunction, anyway? I love her movies, but her autobio *Me* reveals all kinds of rambling, shitty stories-without-plot and her little thing with Spencer_T and her little fan club with .... Cukor, just seems so dumb and unsophisticated. Maybe it was a different time, but I don't think so. She just seems like a really dumb person who got involved in some pretty smart, tough movies. (ahem...without howard hawks she's nothing...imo) And the african queen is a crappy movie, and always has been. Bogart at his very least. Well, maybe I could watch it again and revise my opinion, and probably will soon.

    She's no Kay Francis, I'll say that.

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    You'll want to see Jack Lemmon in Glengarry Glen Ross. He's quite good - not his typical role, either.

    IMHO Katharine Hepburn was a smart lady but essentially played herself every time. I think it was Dorothy Parker who joked that "her acting range ran the gamut from A to B."

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    You know what you need, EH? Brass balls. He was very very good in *GlengGR*, I don't know why I decided not to include it on my list of JL's preferred (by me) roles. Funny little man, though. And, sure, who else would have done Apartm or ILad nebbishry? Elisha Cook, Jr?

    Always count on that freak of nature Dorothy Parker to get in a zinger. Speaking of movies, she was probably friends with James Agee, maybe? I read an anthology of his reviews and didn't see the big deal. Kind of dull prose, unsophisticated ideas. Bogdanovich is the king of movie writers, or at least he was.

    Yeah, that was kind of harsh on KH -- *Bringing Up Baby*, *Philly Story*....the one she did in the 1970s with Duke Wayne (either *The Shootist* or *The Duel*....no wait, the sequel to ...*Rooster Cogburn*! Hah, got it

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    I would also give Lemmon credit for his role in The China Syndrome. A very powerful portrayal of a man slowly realizing he's in much bigger trouble than he thought he was.

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    You know, I have never seen *The China Syndrome*.

    I take back what I said about *The African Queen*. I must have been in a bad mood when I saw it a few years ago for the first time. Cute movie. Saw it again this morning. Jack Cardiff as photographer -- looked good. For some reason I remember it in B&W, and more hats on KH. Bogie still was....I don't know, he seemed like he was drunk for the scenes when he wasn't drinking gin, or just screwing around.

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    The China Syndome would seem a little dated today, I suppose, but I remember it as a pretty tense thriller, and Lemmon was very good in it. Also an early role for Wilford Brimley, as one of Lemmon's colleagues, and a bearded young Michael Douglas as a hotshot TV news camerman.

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    See, I looked it up on wiki and I kind of groaned when I saw that Mickey Douglas was all up in there.

    I don't know -- as bad as *The Deep* was for a 1970s thriller, was as how good was *Black Sunday* and a lot of the lower-budget ones, the Don Siegels and all that.

    Also, Walter Matthau > Jack Lemmon.

    That is the word!

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    I'm with you there.

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