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    Default Kriegspiel control thread - T'Var and Vaudreuil keep out!

    It is White to move in the initial position.

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    1. c4

    (Diagram follows later)
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    After White's first move.
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    1. c4 Nc6

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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+
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    Now, If EH had gone for Scholar's Mate, it would have been highly amusing. Playing the obvious over the tactical.

    As it is, he just lost his queen for no reason
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    Quote Originally posted by CatInASuit View post
    Now, If EH had gone for Scholar's Mate, it would have been highly amusing. Playing the obvious over the tactical.

    As it is, he just lost his queen for no reason
    That's what I was thinking. It's probably no good after the first time you play this variant, but it could work brilliantly in the first game. After a single time, any good player would take care to block it, probably with a knight prepared to capture King's Bishop 2.
    Last edited by Appleciders; 10 Dec 2011 at 04:23 PM.

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    Yep, or any of a number of early alternatives, such as:
    - Play P-K3 so that QxP is check but not mate, and your King can take the Queen
    - Play P-KN3 so that when the Q goes to R5, you are told you have a pawn capture, and you help yourself to the Queen
    - Play P-KB3 - normally a poor move but here it means that when the Queen goes to R5 you are told you are in check, and can block with P-KN3

    Still, going a Queen down in the opening doesn't lose as easily in Kriegspiel as in regular chess, especially since the defender doesn't know what he took.
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    The forced capture.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3

    The "Ammonia" Gambit
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    Last edited by Malacandra; 18 Dec 2011 at 02:40 AM.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2
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    I can see EH trying it again with BH5 on his next move to see if the King is still open.
    In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.

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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7


    We'll have to see. If he does, Black will be notified of a potential pawn capture.
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    Instead White chooses to castle.

    A King can be an effective spy in Kriegspiel as you are notified if you are trying to move him into check, which gives you clues as to where opposing pieces are (though you do not know what you would be in check from).

    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    Last edited by Malacandra; 27 Dec 2011 at 04:26 AM.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    Last edited by Malacandra; 06 Jan 2012 at 01:04 PM.
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    About the only thing missing from Black's setup is what Black intends to do with the queen
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6


    Both sides still sidling around. One approach to finding the enemy is to prepare a pawn advance with plenty of piece support hoping that when the pawn reaches the enemy lines a series of captures will take place resulting in material gain.
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    That seems to tbe the approach WES has taken. EH's last move is bold, I wonder what it will tell him.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8


    A deep foray into enemy lines...!
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6


    ...which goes unpunished for now.
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    In some ways, White is almost at a disadvantage because black can settle back and arrange its defences whereas the onus is on White to move forward and engage.
    In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.

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    Not really. That might be the case to some extent in chess, given that White's advantage of the initial move requires active play to exploit, and passive play is statistically worse for White than active, but in Kriegspiel the advantage of the tempo is largely dissipated by the fog of uncertainty, and you could say that White does not "have his initiative to defend" as it is said of chess.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
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    Couple of moves to catch up on...

    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
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    nm
    Last edited by Malacandra; 15 Feb 2012 at 04:11 AM. Reason: Wrong thread
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5


    A slight novelty - White may make a pawn capture (dxc5 en passant).
    Last edited by Malacandra; 17 Feb 2012 at 06:50 PM.
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    He missed it - had EH played dxc6 it would have been announced as a successful move and "capture on c5", which might have provoked an urgent query.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2


    Black continues to grind White down. To be fair - as I now know - WES is no slouch over the board.
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    Ouch, that is sharp play from WES there. I wonder if EH will resign if he starts losing rooks?

    To think, a simple scholar's mate up front could have finished this off before it started.
    In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.

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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2

    Elendil's Heir fights back...
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2


    23. Bxg2 would have been interesting - there would have been a check on the file and theoretically White could find a mating attack if Black wasn't careful.
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    I wonder if WES will start moving the Queen and Rooks into position?
    In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.

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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2

    White loses more material. WES is going to have to use his major pieces now on the assumption that EH makes the obvious recapture.
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    Just seen EH's move - Knight: D1 to G2. That's one hell of a Knight he has there.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4


    White has lost another exchange. The question is how Black - to all intents and purposes a whole Queen up - will make the material count.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4
    26. Kf1 h3
    27. Rc1 Qg5
    28. Rc2 Qg2+


    Looks like Black has it all to do after all. Best play for White is to attempt the King capture, which fails but tells him how the land lies, then play 29. Bxg2 when presumably 29. ... hxg2+; 30. Kxg2 (or 30. Rxg2). That leaves Black an exchange ahead with by no means an easy task ahead.
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    I wonder if WES will take the h2 pawn after the exchange
    In the land of the blind, the one-arm man is king.

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