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    He has conclusive evidence that it is there, since he attempted to play 27. ... h2. As I remarked on telling him the move was illegal, it was provable that the h-pawn was still on the file. I didn't explain, but the proof runs thus: When Black captured on h6 earlier it was behind his own pawn, so cannot have been the original White h-pawn (not of a White pawn at all, since White's capture on h6 was not preceded by a pawn-capture notification). The only captures on the g-file were on g2, hence also not by the h-pawn. Therefore White's h-pawn has not left the file, and since Black's pawn advanced successfully to h3, there must still be a White pawn on h2.

    If I were in WES's shoes I wouldn't take on h2. There has to be a good chance that the King will recapture on g2 in which case it would be able to recapture on h2 after White was told of the capture. I'll update the graphic later, but White has taken with the Bishop.
    Last edited by Malacandra; 22 Mar 2012 at 05:56 PM.
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    Actually at this point WES will know after the next move, if the pawn is taken, that the White King is either on F1, G2 or H1
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    In fact, WES has been told for all practical purposes that the King is on f1 - or it would not have been in check on the short diagonal - so that leaves it on f1 or g2.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4
    26. Kf1 h3
    27. Rc1 Qg5
    28. Rc2 Qg2+
    29. Bxg2 hxg2+
    30. Kxg2


    And Black is now only the exchange up instead of a hairsbreadth less than a whole Queen. Continuing to keep her at the back and using the Rooks and pawns to explore might have been a better strategy.
    Last edited by Malacandra; 24 Mar 2012 at 04:45 AM.
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    Did I miss a couple of moves?

    If White's king cannot retake on h2 did Wes swing the other rook to h8 rather than a straight capture from h6?
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4
    26. Kf1 h3
    27. Rc1 Qg5
    28. Rc2 Qg2+
    29. Bxg2 hxg2+
    30. Kxg2 Rah8
    31. Ne3 Rxh2+


    Black logically doubled rooks on the h-file, knowing the White pawn was on h2 (could have gone to h3 or h4 on move 31, but would have shown up when the Rook move got bounced). It's a little lucky for White that the Rook on c2 is now protected so even if Black sweeps the rank looking for captures next move, he can't win by it. I wonder if WES will try to shepherd the g-pawn home?

    ETA: Of course, if White's last had been 31. Kg1, Black would now be losing a Rook instead of gaining a pawn...
    Last edited by Malacandra; 26 Mar 2012 at 02:30 PM.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4
    26. Kf1 h3
    27. Rc1 Qg5
    28. Rc2 Qg2+
    29. Bxg2 hxg2+
    30. Kxg2 Rah8
    31. Ne3 Rxh2+
    32. Kf1 Rh1+
    33. Ke2 R1h2+



    It took EH a while to find his 33rd move - he couldn't block or capture his way out of the check, and was confused because he'd assumed the second rank was still guarded but I hadn't announced checkmate. I now wonder whether the White King is going to carry on running for the queenside - after 34. Kd3 Black wouldn't have any more checks for a while.
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    I'm betting on hiding behind the Knight. If it gets taken then its an easy capture in response.

    I wonder if WES will start pushing the g-pawn down.
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    So with the white king behind the knight and that protecting the rook, where are WES' pieces?
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    Rooks on h1 and h3, and White's Rook has gone to g2.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4
    26. Kf1 h3
    27. Rc1 Qg5
    28. Rc2 Qg2+
    29. Bxg2 hxg2+
    30. Kxg2 Rah8
    31. Ne3 Rxh2+
    32. Kf1 Rh1+
    33. Ke2 R1h2+
    34. Kd3 R8h3
    35. Rg2 Rh1
    36. Rg4


    No way in for the Black King or g-pawn at the moment.
    Last edited by Malacandra; 11 Apr 2012 at 04:39 PM.
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    Thanks for the update
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    So how are those kingside pawns looking for White? Which ones did Black go for?
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4
    26. Kf1 h3
    27. Rc1 Qg5
    28. Rc2 Qg2+
    29. Bxg2 hxg2+
    30. Kxg2 Rah8
    31. Ne3 Rxh2+
    32. Kf1 Rh1+
    33. Ke2 R1h2+
    34. Kd3 R8h3
    35. Rg2 Rh1
    36. Rg4 Ra1
    37. a4 g5
    38. b4 axb4
    39. a5


    Black's pawn capture attempts came to naught...
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    So, do we have a pawn to queen race going on?
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    Yup, and they'll quite possibly get there at the same time. There is no announcement when a pawn promotes.
    Last edited by Malacandra; 23 Apr 2012 at 08:58 AM.
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    So I guess both of the have queened pawns then?
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    For sure.

    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4
    26. Kf1 h3
    27. Rc1 Qg5
    28. Rc2 Qg2+
    29. Bxg2 hxg2+
    30. Kxg2 Rah8
    31. Ne3 Rxh2+
    32. Kf1 Rh1+
    33. Ke2 R1h2+
    34. Kd3 R8h3
    35. Rg2 Rh1
    36. Rg4 Ra1
    37. a4 g5
    38. b4 axb4
    39. a5 Rh1
    40. a6 b3
    41. a7 b2
    42. a8(Q) b1(Q)+



    No way for either side to know that White's Queen is hanging on a8.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4
    26. Kf1 h3
    27. Rc1 Qg5
    28. Rc2 Qg2+
    29. Bxg2 hxg2+
    30. Kxg2 Rah8
    31. Ne3 Rxh2+
    32. Kf1 Rh1+
    33. Ke2 R1h2+
    34. Kd3 R8h3
    35. Rg2 Rh1
    36. Rg4 Ra1
    37. a4 g5
    38. b4 axb4
    39. a5 Rh1
    40. a6 b3
    41. a7 b2
    42. a8(Q) b1(Q)+
    43. Kc3 Qc1+
    44. Kb3 Qa3+



    Interestingly, Black's king hunt could backfire here. If White takes on a3, Black is down a piece after all his hard work.
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    This could backfire indeed and at that point, Black will need to shepherd a few more of the pawns down.
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    Looks like Black is out of check for the mo, though no captures yet.
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    Yep, diagram follows later but in brief, White didn't even try to capture on a3, Black is about to swing his other Rook into the hunt as well so White is probably in trouble.
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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4
    26. Kf1 h3
    27. Rc1 Qg5
    28. Rc2 Qg2+
    29. Bxg2 hxg2+
    30. Kxg2 Rah8
    31. Ne3 Rxh2+
    32. Kf1 Rh1+
    33. Ke2 R1h2+
    34. Kd3 R8h3
    35. Rg2 Rh1
    36. Rg4 Ra1
    37. a4 g5
    38. b4 axb4
    39. a5 Rh1
    40. a6 b3
    41. a7 b2
    42. a8(Q) b1(Q)+
    43. Kc3 Qc1+
    44. Kb3 Qa3+
    45. Kc4 Rh2
    46. Qxa3 Rxa3



    EH didn't try the capture until after his King had already moved away, so missed his chance to gain material. Still, that's a Queen exchange and probably puts an end to the mating try for now.
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    I wonder if we will now see the second wave of pawns moving forward. c4 could be a priceless giveaway.
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    Just conceded, and then reviewed this thread from the beginning. O what might have been!

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    1. c4 Nc6
    2. e4 b6
    3. Qh5 Bb7
    4. Qxf7+ Kxf7
    5. d3 g6
    6. Nh3 e6
    7. Be2 Bg7
    8. 0-0 Nf6
    9. Re1 a5
    10. b3 h5
    11. Ba3 Bh6
    12. Bf8 Ba6
    13. Bxh6 Rxh6
    14. Nf4 d6
    15. Nd5 Ng4
    16. Nbc3 exd5
    17. cxd5 Nce5
    18. Reb1 c5
    19. Bf3 Nxd3
    20. Rd1 Ngxf2
    21. Rf1 Ne1
    22. Rxf2 Nxg2
    23. Rxg2 Bf1
    24. Nd1 Bxg2
    25. Kxg2 h4
    26. Kf1 h3
    27. Rc1 Qg5
    28. Rc2 Qg2+
    29. Bxg2 hxg2+
    30. Kxg2 Rah8
    31. Ne3 Rxh2+
    32. Kf1 Rh1+
    33. Ke2 R1h2+
    34. Kd3 R8h3
    35. Rg2 Rh1
    36. Rg4 Ra1
    37. a4 g5
    38. b4 axb4
    39. a5 Rh1
    40. a6 b3
    41. a7 b2
    42. a8(Q) b1(Q)+
    43. Kc3 Qc1+
    44. Kb3 Qa3+
    45. Kc4 Rh2
    46. Qxa3 Rxa3
    47. Nc2 Rxc2+
    48. Resigns

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