Hi all. I will try to visit often while you're here.
http://www.mellophant.com/forums/sho...095#post146095
Hi all. I will try to visit often while you're here.
http://www.mellophant.com/forums/sho...095#post146095
Just popping in to say I completely disagree with Myrnalene's suspension. I didn't realize that thinking a moderator shouldn't be encouraged to chat-ban someone for insulting herself when there are other moderators around was now "interfering with a mod action" and gets you chat-banned yourself.
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"Fairy tales do not give the child his first idea of bogey. The baby has known the dragon intimately ever since he had an imagination. What the fairy tale provides for him is a St. George to kill the dragon." (Chesterton)
Just popping in to say I completely disagree with that being the sole reason Myrna got suspended, because I think (and hey, I could be wrong, I had more interesting drama to attend to last night) more than that went on. And you know, that whole thing about mods being able to do this kind of stuff at their discretion and whatnot.
Wasn't here, went through the archive. This is the moderator stuff with Myrna?
11-23-2009 22:47 <Elyanna> jeff we're invested in this, did you know that?
11-23-2009 22:47<Myrnalene> Remember, this is the first a lot of people are hearing about your emails and stuff. Don't assume people would defend that.
11-23-2009 22:47 <Exy> i think if someone is sufficiently obnoxious at a play it's fine to hit them in the butt with a hammer until they're dead.
11-23-2009 22:47 <Exy> my morals are flexible.
11-23-2009 22:47 <Jeff> i am, yes. i love mcnutty like he is my brother
11-23-2009 22:48 <Elyanna> mcnutty is my daddy
11-23-2009 22:48 <Exy> Elyanna, hey, you're his pal. What do you want, do you want me to assume you think that shit is morally okay? Or do you want me to assume that you're just too fucking retarded to know what kind of a guy you're pals with?
11-23-2009 22:48 <Elyanna> i invested in him
11-23-2009 22:48 <Myrnalene> to the peanut gallery: whoever cracked his account boasted on the snackpit about reading his tax returns. that's pretty terrifying
11-23-2009 22:48 <Myrnalene> Exy, you're heading to get bumped out of chat for a bit.
11-23-2009 22:49 <Elyanna> i'll take retarded for 500
11-23-2009 22:49 <Myrnalene> no fighting, baby
11-23-2009 22:49 <OtakuLoki> Jim, if they've still got the hulk of the Long Beach I could probably guide people around the enginerooms.
11-23-2009 22:49 <What Exit?> Ely might I suggest as a bystander this is why you have the ability to kick people out of chat for short times. Exy, please stop. The Cage thread should be fine for this.
11-23-2009 22:49 <Exy> I'm willing to assume either one, both would be (if you were of normal intelligence) pretty humiliating to you. Since I am pretty sure you do not rise to the level of "normal intelligence" I am perfectly willing to pretend whichever option you consider less humiliating. I know someone like you is pretty used to a degree of humilation.
11-23-2009 22:50 <Elyanna> i am great pals with nutty the baby killer mmhmm
11-23-2009 22:50 <Elyanna> Oh okay Jim. I don't care what he says bout me, but there is the fighting thing.
11-23-2009 22:50 <Vox Imperatoris>
11-23-2009 22:50 <Myrnalene> Jim, uh I really don't think Ely should be able to bump him out for fighting with her but I understand if some real mod has to do it
11-23-2009 22:50 <Elyanna> Mod warning: Exy, cut it out.\
11-23-2009 22:50 <Sarahfeena> OK, everyone, please stop this. Jim is right, Exy...if you want to discuss it further, use the forums.
11-23-2009 22:51 <Myrnalene> you are not a mod, girl
11-23-2009 22:51 <What Exit?> That could be damp I suspect. The Ranger is at least is slated for possible Museum duty.
11-23-2009 22:51 <Elyanna> A'ight, there's sarah.
11-23-2009 22:51 <OtakuLoki> Dark, too, Jim.
11-23-2009 22:52 <Vox Imperatoris> Whoa, I went looking for a video for 30 seconds and this happens.
11-23-2009 22:52 <Jeff> oh noes, moderator bias. Ely = Hitler!
11-23-2009 22:52 <Elyanna> I'm not? Should take away these mod powers then. Useless.
11-23-2009 22:52 <Vox Imperatoris> Anyway, does that song not make you want to send people to the moon and invade Vietnam?
11-23-2009 22:53 <What Exit?> Well at least the Long Beach has not been recycled yet. The Last True Cruiser.
11-23-2009 22:53 <Myrnalene> no, she just should never have been given banning powers and just the other day she was saying she didn't want them
11-23-2009 22:53 <Vox Imperatoris> The YouTube version sounds a bit weird, though.
11-23-2009 22:53 <Elyanna> Yeah, I don't. I quit.
11-23-2009 22:53 <Elyanna> I quit this board. Bye.
Myrna suggested that Elyanna shouldn't have been encouraged to chat-ban Exy because he was insulting her. She said that it was probably a better idea for someone else to do it to preserve a sense of mod neutrality. Now, if Elyanna were the old mod in chat at the time, it would have been different.
Isn't mods doling out arbitrary punishments "at their discretion" one of the main reasons we left the Dope in the first place? The only other thing that went on was a fight between Sleeps and Myrna that occurred when Sleeps came in ranting at Myrna, prompting Myrna to call her a "bitch". Frankly, if that incident were deserving of a ban (which it was not), it should have been a ban for Sleeps.
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The Myrna part came later in the night. I wasn't there for it but it involved Sleeps and Myrna fighting. I'm not sure I understand her caging, but I probably missed something.
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Hey now, Myrna's my friend but I don't think there's anything wrong with a moderator taking action against someone for calling her a retard. And undermining a moderator when she's trying to stop a fight is pretty shitty.
And why the sudden hate for Ely?
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I wasn't a member of Dope. The only other MB I'm on regularly I paid to use, and I can still get banned at the drop of the hat because that's how they roll, so I follow the rules and don't question the mods in the forums.
Ultimately, I don't care. It's not as if Myrna and Exy will never be back, unless they CHOOSE not to return after their time off-which is pretty short. I have no real beef with Myrna, and even though I've witnessed Exy being a drunken douchebag one too many times, he's easy enough to ignore. But it's done, it isn't likely to be undone, it is at worst a temporary inconvenience for all involved, unless someone decides to drag it out and give the mods grief.
There was a loud fight between Sleeps and Myrna, but from what I saw it was more Sleeps so that is why I am confused. Myrna apparently called Sleeps a bitch, but who hasn't including Sleeps?
I think Myrna must have said something to Pep that I missed. I was scanning quickly and probably missed it.
She called Sleeps a bitch twice. She called Sleeps a cunt once. She called Sleeps "featherlou" once (clearly meant to be an insult). She refused to stop insulting Sleeps though I asked her to twice. And then she called me a retard when I told her to drop it. Those insults (even after two requests for her to stop) on top of her behavior with Elyanna (which absolutely was unacceptable) has resulted in this punishment. She knows the rules. She knows she was violating them. I did not believe that discussing the issue in chat should be verboten, and I still do not believe that Sleeps was out of line (or crossed the line". Myrna, however, jumped into the conversation with a personal insult ("bitch"), and continued that tone from there. The other members of the mod staff agreed with me.
11-23-2009 23:37 <Feirefiz> Yes, as far as I can see the other posts are a bit dumb, but harmless.
11-23-2009 23:37 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Exactly Feirefiz
11-23-2009 23:38 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> But it's good to see that we have our very own SmartAleq now! I guess there won't be any more bitching about how AWFUL she is to people
11-23-2009 23:38 <Inner Stickler> Oh lord.
11-23-2009 23:38 <Myrnalene> still haven't seen that call for anyone to commit suicide
11-23-2009 23:39 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> O and that's what it takes to get your attention?
11-23-2009 23:39 <pepperlandgirl> I moved the slam against myrna and exy from the "how to improve this board" thread to the cage.
11-23-2009 23:39 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> lol nice that you do have some stopping point for "baby"'s comments
11-23-2009 23:39 <Inner Stickler> One fight a night isn't enough?
11-23-2009 23:40 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Sticks, this isn't a fight
11-23-2009 23:40 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> This is honesty, I thought that's what they wanted
11-23-2009 23:40 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I'm not hiding my comments in private PMs or saying shit and editing it
11-23-2009 23:41 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I'm not falling down drunk and raging at people. I'm just saying how I feel
11-23-2009 23:41 <Inner Stickler> Congratulations. Tomorrow's lesson will be on tact.
11-23-2009 23:41 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Sticks, do you tsk tsk Exy when HE brings my name up?
11-23-2009 23:41 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Funny, I haven't seen you do that
11-23-2009 23:42 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I've ignored him over and over when he plays his little boy games in here but tonight he ran out someone who is actually nice and friendly to everyone
11-23-2009 23:42 <Inner Stickler> And that was shitty.
11-23-2009 23:42 <Myrnalene> I know you are trying to get me to defend what he said or something, but I won't because it's indefensible. But don't start on me, bitch
11-23-2009 23:43 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> O Myrna thinks I'm a bitch for talking about Exy
11-23-2009 23:43 <Myrnalene> lol and since WHEN don't you snark people in PMs? you did it enough when we were friends
11-23-2009 23:43 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> But never says a word when he talks about anyone else
11-23-2009 23:43 <Inner Stickler> I'm rather mad at exy right now about that. Not that it really matters. But I'd really rather prefer we at least fake friendliness.
11-23-2009 23:43 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I sure did, but I own up to it
11-23-2009 23:43 <Myrnalene> no, I think you're a bitch for going after me, bitch
11-23-2009 23:44 <pepperlandgirl> Moderator note: Myrna, no personal insults in chat. You might not be happy with Sleeps, but she didn't call you bitch or anything else.
11-23-2009 23:44 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I don't sit here in chat and pretend like I always do things above board
11-23-2009 23:44 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Look how mad she gets when someone dares to speak of her Angel Face
11-23-2009 23:44 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> how many times did he mention my name today and that was okay?
11-23-2009 23:44 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> but I can't even comment on the shitty things he did and callthem SHITTY?
11-23-2009 23:45 <Myrnalene> are you fucking blind or stupid? I'm talking about what you are saying about me, not him
11-23-2009 23:45 From <pepperlandgirl> Just saying, Pepper, we don't pay you enough for this shit. Thank you.
11-23-2009 23:45 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> keep it up Myrna, you're only making yourself look worse
11-23-2009 23:45 <Myrnalene> Exy was an fucking asshole tonight
11-23-2009 23:45 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> What am I saying about YOU Myrna?
11-23-2009 23:46 <Myrnalene> "O and that's what it takes to get your attention?" " lol nice that you do have some stopping point for "baby"'s comments " "This is honesty, I thought that's what they wanted"
11-23-2009 23:46 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> and those are personal insults to you?
11-23-2009 23:46 <Inner Stickler> They're sure not compliments.
11-23-2009 23:47 <Myrnalene> they are pretty fucking snide
11-23-2009 23:47 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Exy typed out some retarded shit to Ely in that thread and you didn't tell him that he was being a fucktard, you told him "baby we're supposed to be fighting mcnutty!"
11-23-2009 23:48 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Sticks, do you think she needs you help? Where is her Sticks tsktsk for calling me a bitch? Why is this always so one-sided for you Sticky?
11-23-2009 23:48 <Inner Stickler> That's a bit of a paraphrase, don't you think?
11-23-2009 23:48 <Myrnalene> I don't put ALL of my correspendence out there in public Sleeps, and I sure am not going to start in order to please you
11-23-2009 23:48 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> ok Sticks here is the exact quote "Baby, we were supposed to be focusing on McNutty's crazy, not making our own."
11-23-2009 23:48 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> better now?
11-23-2009 23:49 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Oh yes because I'm demanding that you do just that.
11-23-2009 23:49 <Inner Stickler> Much thank you.
11-23-2009 23:49 <Myrnalene> I just said he was an asshole, that he was out of line, that he deserved to be chat banned, whatever. What the fuck else do you want?
11-23-2009 23:49 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> So Sticky aren't you going to help Myrna with her aggression or do I only get the benefit of your disappointment?
11-23-2009 23:50 <Vox Imperatoris> She didn't denounce him with enough vehemence? Big whoop.
11-23-2009 23:50 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Oh boy, Vox is going to join in! YaY!
11-23-2009 23:50 <Myrnalene> lol, I'm the one being aggressive? answer my question
11-23-2009 23:50 <Vox Imperatoris> She certainly didn't defend him.
11-23-2009 23:50 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Post some pics, Voxie
11-23-2009 23:51 <Inner Stickler> I wish Myrna wouldn't swear so much at you. I wish you wouldn't be so hard on myrna. Not that it matters but that's what I wish.
11-23-2009 23:51 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Answer your question! So demanding!
11-23-2009 23:51 <Myrnalene> on no, Vox was asked to stop posting pics and stopped when asked. you sure know how to go for the weak spots
11-23-2009 23:52 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> O and Exy hasn't brought it up in chat, right?
11-23-2009 23:52 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> eyerolls right back to you
11-23-2009 23:52 <Myrnalene> ok, so you can't say what you want from me, or what you would have me do differently. You just want to cunt rage all over the place
11-23-2009 23:52 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> he hasn't gone on about how terrible it is that vox posts pics to condemn the people who asked him to stop
11-23-2009 23:52 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> two sets of rules around here
11-23-2009 23:52 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> cunt rage, more personal insults
11-23-2009 23:53 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> You just can't stop yourself, huh?
11-23-2009 23:53 <Myrnalene> those people that whined for 10 minutes after Vox stopped, you mean?
11-23-2009 23:53 <pepperlandgirl> Moderator note: I'm tired of the fighting, but I'm especially tired of the personal insults when I said to knock it the fuck off.
11-23-2009 23:53 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Vox kept going on about it too
11-23-2009 23:53 <pepperlandgirl> and fucking coding
11-23-2009 23:53 <Myrnalene> you're not supposed to fight here either, but you are fighting with everyone
11-23-2009 23:53 <Myrnalene> ok, pepper
11-23-2009 23:53 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Fighting with everyone. Oh Myrna, you don't get it
11-23-2009 23:54 <Myrnalene> when Sleeps can rationally explain what she's so pissed at me for, maybe I will talk to her
11-23-2009 23:54 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Well I'll just sit here crushed
<pepperlandgirl> I don't even think it's a matter of hating Exy. It's a matter of exy driving a poster away, who is a good poster and a friendly person, and it's amatter of exy insulting her all over the board and chat.
11-23-2009 23:56 <Myrnalene> was it pity that made you come here and fight with me and Sticks and Vox?
11-23-2009 23:56 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Thank you Pepper
11-23-2009 23:56 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Vox came in looking for a fight, so please spare me Myrna
11-23-2009 23:57 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> nobody dragged him in kicking and screaming
11-23-2009 23:57 <Inner Stickler> No, it was anger. Ely is her friend. And mine too.
11-23-2009 23:57 <Myrnalene> pepper, no one is defending Exy but that shit was done before she came her and took swipes at ME
11-23-2009 23:57 <pepperlandgirl> Exy slammed sleeps several times in chat earlier, and iin the McNutty thread, and I didn't see anybody speak up for her (and I know I saw it but didn't have a chance to say anything, and I apologize for that).
11-23-2009 23:57 <Vox Imperatoris> I came in to defend Myrna because you're attacking her for no apparent reason.
11-23-2009 23:57 <Hatshepsut> sorry to butt in here, who did Exy chase away? (I now return to my lurker status)
11-23-2009 23:57 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Pepper, they woudn't DARE speak up for me because they might face Exy rage
11-23-2009 23:57 <pepperlandgirl> Elyanna
11-23-2009 23:57 <Inner Stickler> She just wants to protect someone who was hurt. That's a completely legit response.
11-23-2009 23:57 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Hatshepsut, Elyanna was run off
11-23-2009 23:58 <Hatshepsut> ok thanks, back to work now ....
11-23-2009 23:58 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> for daring to use her mod abilities in chat. You can see his answer to that here: http://www.mellophant.com/forums/sho...9&postcount=24
11-23-2009 23:58 <Myrnalene> Ely's not here to protect Sticks, so that dog won't hunt. Sleeps came in here for a fight and since Exy's not here she started with me
11-23-2009 23:59 <Inner Stickler> I'm not afraid of Exy rage. I did not realize that it was hurting you. I did not know when the line was crossed.
11-23-2009 23:59 <pepperlandgirl> Myrna, your comment directly led to Ely quitting, so I don't want you to act all innocent and surprised that somebody is annoyed with you.
11-23-2009 23:59 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> But Pepper, that's my point. I have ignored Exy's remarks time and time again in here while I'm here and when people tell me later that he brought me up AGAIN. I haven't talked about HIM but he can't keep my name off his typing fingers. But that's okay
11-23-2009 23:59 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> that's okay and nobody can say anything about it
11-24-2009 00:00 <Inner Stickler> Sure it does. It's more than just protecting someone who is present. It's defending their honor.
11-24-2009 00:00 <Myrnalene> let her tell me that, then. Not "but but but but you called Exy your baby! "
11-24-2009 00:00 <pepperlandgirl> a comment which, in reality, had absolutely no bearing on the discussion or Ely's role as a chat moderator. I'm not sure what prompted you to make it, or why you thought it was contributing anything, but I sincerely hope that you get that settled with her.
11-24-2009 00:00 <Myrnalene> I have already apologized to Elyanna, by the way
11-24-2009 00:00 <Myrnalene> I did, hours ago
11-24-2009 00:01 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Sticks, I'm sorry. I shoudln't give you the impression that his words hurt me. They don't. Exy is an angry person with a drinking problem. He's lashing out at anyone for anything. he knows zero about me so his crazy opinions don't hurt. I'm sorry for that confusion
11-24-2009 00:02 <Myrnalene> She's pissed at me because I am friends with Exy, full stop. When I was friends with her, no matter what she did that was cool. Sleeps has driven a few people from Dumbo herself.
11-24-2009 00:02 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I was just using that as an example of the double standard around here. Exy can say what he wants whether it's true or not, but you can't even talk about the horrible things he says. That's all I was saying
11-24-2009 00:03 <Myrnalene> Quote:but you can't even talk about the horrible things he says.
except that everyone has been, all night
11-24-2009 00:03 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Myrna, I don't care that you're friends with Exy. He needs a friend. Badly
11-24-2009 00:03 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> All night? It just happened a couple of hours ago
11-24-2009 00:04 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Did the space/time continuium change?
11-24-2009 00:04 <Myrnalene> why come in here and start with me, then? do you want me to copy you on the PMs I sent him calling him on his crap tonight? I won't, but I would still like to know what you want from me
11-24-2009 00:05 <Gumby> maybe the Large Hadron Collider messed it all up sleeps
11-24-2009 00:05 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> IT MAY HAVE GUMBY!
11-24-2009 00:05 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> YOU MIGHT BE ON TO SOMETHING
11-24-2009 00:06 <Xan> I think I somehow did it. Not sure yet.
11-24-2009 00:06 <Inner Stickler> We're still good.
11-24-2009 00:06 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I came in here to vent about yet another drunken rage. YOU took it upon yourself to jump in about the smartaleq thing and it started from there
11-24-2009 00:06 <Xan> I poked it or something. Then it broke. And it went crash bang BOOM..then fizzled.
11-24-2009 00:07 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> And no, I most certainly wouldn't want ot see you PMs to him
11-24-2009 00:07 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I'm glad that website is there to reassure us
11-24-2009 00:07 <Gumby> Xan, please stop putting gophers into the lhc
11-24-2009 00:07 <Vox Imperatoris> Inner Stickler, my data says otherwise: http://qntm.org/?board
11-24-2009 00:07 <Xan> But it's so fun!
11-24-2009 00:08 <Vox Imperatoris>
11-24-2009 00:08 <Inner Stickler> I can't tell anymore when people are being sarcastic or silly.
11-24-2009 00:08 <Myrnalene> yep, I still think SmartAleq telling someone that their family would be better off if they killed themselves is a cunt move. I will think that if you bring it up next week, next month, or next year, so get used to it
11-24-2009 00:08 <TFR You SOB> I've been throwing rocks at that thing all day
11-24-2009 00:08 <Inner Stickler> FACTCHECK IN AISLE 3!
11-24-2009 00:09 <Myrnalene> if you decide to jump my ass for it every time, that's on you
11-24-2009 00:09 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> And Myrna, telling someone that they are a shitty father because they don't like you is just super duper
11-24-2009 00:09 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I'm just getting an idea of where the line stops for you.
11-24-2009 00:09 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> When he didn't even know if that was McNutty!
11-24-2009 00:09 <Myrnalene> oh, I said that?
11-24-2009 00:10 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Don't be coy.
11-24-2009 00:10 <Myrnalene> once again, take your problems with Exy up with Exy. He was out of line! Got that? Cause I'm not going to bother to repeat myself, anymore.
11-24-2009 00:11 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Exy isn't worth taking anything up with. He's going to keep on the way he is until he bottoms out. You are better than that, but don't worry. I got that you think he was out of line
11-24-2009 00:12 <Myrnalene> don't say you don't mind me being friends with him and then turn around and try to play this "gothca ya!" game with me over stuff HE says
11-24-2009 00:12 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Myrna, YOU are jumping in to defend him. I didn't "gotcha" you anything
11-24-2009 00:13 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I only wish you could understand what a double standard it is
11-24-2009 00:13 <Gumby> being friends is one thing, defending everything he says is another
11-24-2009 00:13 <Myrnalene> please go back to the beginning of this chat from the time you came in and find ONE quote of me defending him
11-24-2009 00:13 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> just like whenever you perceive there to be a "gay joke" made you make a comment about it. But what did you do today to Mcnutty? "ask exy out just once!" har har har
11-24-2009 00:13 <Myrnalene> who does that, Gumby?
11-24-2009 00:14 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Me even talking about Exy here tonight (which I have NOT been doing) seems to have gotten you going
11-24-2009 00:14 <Myrnalene> uh Sleeps, the joke there is not that McNutty might be gay and that's bad, the joke is that he apparently can not stop thinking about Exy
11-24-2009 00:14 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> But you don't get going when he talks about other people in here. Double standard. Why did this become a heated discussion at all tonight?
11-24-2009 00:15 <Myrnalene> Sleeps, you are the one that keeps bringing up
11-24-2009 00:15 <Vox Imperatoris> Sleeps, you came in and started ranting.
11-24-2009 00:15 <Inner Stickler> Sleeps, you were taking potshots at myrna.
11-24-2009 00:15 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> uh Myrna, you're making a joke about a hetero person having the hots for a gay person. If he turned it around and said it the other way about exy having it for a woman it would be BAD
11-24-2009 00:15 <Myrnalene> for the third time, what got me going was comments directed at me
11-24-2009 00:16 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> yes Vox, I sure did. I'm allowed to do that. That's not attacking Myrna. That's ranting about Exy being a jackass in chat tonight for NO REASON
11-24-2009 00:16 <Myrnalene> it would?
11-24-2009 00:16 <pepperlandgirl> Just for shits and giggles, guise, the thread about McNutty and the resulting fall out is probably exactly what he was hoping for. So excellent work on feeding the troll
11-24-2009 00:16 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> And Myrna, I didn't just FIGHT WITH VOX. Vox came in to FIGHT WITH ME
11-24-2009 00:17 <Vox Imperatoris> But you were attacking her at the same time. She was not defending Exy. She was defending against what you said about her.
11-24-2009 00:17 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Pepper, you're right. That troll was banned and the other troll is chat banned. O well.
11-24-2009 00:17 <Vox Imperatoris> Will you shut up about "Vox came in to FIGHT with me!"
11-24-2009 00:17 <Myrnalene> "O and that's what it takes to get your attention?" " lol nice that you do have some stopping point for "baby"'s comments " "This is honesty, I thought that's what they wanted"
11-24-2009 00:17 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Vox: still jumping in
11-24-2009 00:17 <Gumby> (chat lag) Myrna stop acting innocent, I meant you.
11-24-2009 00:18 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> how did I 'attack' her Vox? and No, I won't be shutting up because yous said so Vox
11-24-2009 00:18 <Inner Stickler> Yeah, no shit Pepper. I'm sure the nonnies are having a field day.
11-24-2009 00:18 <Myrnalene> Gumby, you're not stupid. You just saw me say 10 times that Exy was wrong tonight.
11-24-2009 00:18 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Attacking her would be calling her a bitch or on a cunt rage. I didn't attack her.
11-24-2009 00:18 <Myrnalene> therefore, I don't "defend everything he says"
11-24-2009 00:18 <Vox Imperatoris> The things Myrna just quoted you saying, Sleeps.
11-24-2009 00:19 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> and she said nothing to me between those things, right Vox?
11-24-2009 00:19 <Gumby> I'm not just talking about tonight. I've not once before seen you say something against Exy
11-24-2009 00:19 <Inner Stickler> No, sleeps. Your comments are just as much of an attack as an insult. They're almost worse because they're not as blatant and give the speaker wiggle room to claim they weren't attacking.
11-24-2009 00:20 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> This is ridiculous. Nobody is going to change anyone's mind
11-24-2009 00:20 <Vox Imperatoris> Well, 95% percent of the time, Exy is alright.
11-24-2009 00:20 <Inner Stickler> If they weren't meant as attacks, what were they for? General statements of fact?
11-24-2009 00:20 <Myrnalene> Quote:and she said nothing to me between those things, right Vox?
go back and look
11-24-2009 00:20 <binks> well shit, I guess I missed something
11-24-2009 00:20 <pepperlandgirl> Vox, I don't think the number is as high as you think it is. Sleeps, you are probably right.
11-24-2009 00:20 <Gumby> Vox, don't go there
<Inner Stickler> It's nothing binks. We're just all tetchy.
11-24-2009 00:22 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> here you go Binks: http://www.mellophant.com/forums/sho...9&postcount=24
11-24-2009 00:22 <binks> what the fuck?
11-24-2009 00:22 <binks> thank you
11-24-2009 00:22 <5er> Can't this idiotic shit happen on a night that I have to work instead when I get to be home and want to just loosen up and be goofy?
11-24-2009 00:23 <Jeff> this is why mommy drinks
11-24-2009 00:23 <Gumby> Hi fiver, you've reached the sleepsmyrnagumbyvoxsticklerpepper fight. We're a little busy at the moment, we'll get back to you shortly.
11-24-2009 00:23 <pepperlandgirl> apparently this idiotic shit has to happen b/c exy wanted to loosen up and be goofy
11-24-2009 00:23 <5er> I'll just listen to the lovely music.
11-24-2009 00:23 <Myrnalene> Quote:and she said nothing to me between those things, right Vox?
by the way, the answer is no
11-24-2009 00:23 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> From that quote how is Ely here 18 hours a day but she's like #10 on the chat ho list and Exy is #3?
11-24-2009 00:24 <5er> But my call is important to you, right, Gumby?
11-24-2009 00:24 <5er> Hi Sleepy.
11-24-2009 00:24 <5er> Hi M.Lene.
11-24-2009 00:25 <Gumby> Your call is important, please stay on the line and on operator will be with you shortly
11-24-2009 00:25 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Jesus Christ Myrna, I AM THE GUILTY PARTY. I FORCED MYRNA TO CALL ME A BITCH A FEW TIMES AND SAY I WAS ON A CUNT RAGE. I have tied her to this chat room and forced her to fight. IT IS ALL MY FAULT. Can we be done now? Like I said, nobody is going to change anyone's mind around here. AT ALL
11-24-2009 00:25 <5er> Hi PepperlandgirlwhonevergotbacktomeabouttheSecretSan tandtheparticularquestionIasked.
11-24-2009 00:25 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Hi 5er
11-24-2009 00:25 <binks> what set him off like that? or was there even a reason?
11-24-2009 00:26 <binks> the mcnutty thing?
11-24-2009 00:26 <Myrnalene> binks, no
11-24-2009 00:26 <Jeff> he was just a belligerent asshole like always binks
11-24-2009 00:26 <Inner Stickler> He said ely and jeff were invested in mcnutty.
11-24-2009 00:26 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I didn't notice one in the archivees Binks. A reason isn't always needed though, is there?
11-24-2009 00:26 <5er> Binks, there doesn't have to be a reason. This is why I don't come by in the evenings before Exy has passed out.
11-24-2009 00:26 <Jeff> drunk too, naturally
11-24-2009 00:26 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> It isnt' like she insulted a smilie or anything
11-24-2009 00:26 <Inner Stickler> And then everything blew up like my high school chem experiments.
11-24-2009 00:26 <5er> Jeffilly.
11-24-2009 00:26 <pepperlandgirl> 5er, I know, I was just thinking about that today. I feel really awful that I didn't PM you sooner I'm going to PM you tomorrow morning about it.
11-24-2009 00:27 <Myrnalene> "yes, Myrna you're right, I did make those comments to you even though you did nothing to deserve them"
11-24-2009 00:27 <Jeff> so is he going to be banned permanently? or do we have to pretend like he should continue to be a part of this board?
11-24-2009 00:27 <5er> Like a peep in a microwave.
11-24-2009 00:27 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> O yes, invested. Exy has been on a tear today about me and Jeff and Ely needing "proof" of something about McNutty. I don't speak drunk enough to giv eyou the complete lowdown
11-24-2009 00:27 <binks> jesus christ
11-24-2009 00:27 <Myrnalene> "oh but you talked about SmartAleq!"
11-24-2009 00:27 <5er> Tomorrow morning we could all be covered in marshmallow goo, pep.
11-24-2009 00:27 <pepperlandgirl> Actually, he said Ely, Jeff, and sleeps were not only invested in McNutty, but he also added that they want the Mellophant to be destroyed and find the whole thing particularly lulzy (why he cares deeply about the community)
11-24-2009 00:27 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Myrna, how much longer are you going to keep going on about it? Seriously?
11-24-2009 00:28 <5er> Sleeper, I can translate drunk to english. Give me an hour.
11-24-2009 00:28 <pepperlandgirl> Jeff, the mod staff will be discussing Exy's future status on the board tomorrow. Zuul started a thread in the tower before she retired for the night.
11-24-2009 00:28 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> IT IS ALL MY FAULT. MYRNA IS INNOCENT AND I AM 100% GUILTY.
11-24-2009 00:28 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Can we be done with it?
11-24-2009 00:28 <Myrnalene> I dunno, featherlou, maybe until you admit you were wrong?
11-24-2009 00:28 <Vox Imperatoris> Sleeps, stop being such a drama queen about it.
11-24-2009 00:29 <5er> That's so ridiculous. YOu know, I don't post much here because I rarely have anything to say, and without Roo and Featherloo, I have nothing to be pissed about. But I think of both boards as symbiotic.
11-24-2009 00:29 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> are you blind?
11-24-2009 00:29 * Inner Stickler wonders if angua will miss another of those vicodins.
11-24-2009 00:29 <Myrnalene> that you started with me, not the other way around?
11-24-2009 00:29 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> IT IS ALL MY FAULT
11-24-2009 00:29 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> IT IS ALL MY FAULT
11-24-2009 00:29 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> IT IS ALL MY FAULT
11-24-2009 00:29 <pepperlandgirl> Myrna, drop it. You are the one who called her names. and there's no rules against Sleeps, or anybody, discussing the fact that exy was an obnoxious jerk tonight.
11-24-2009 00:29 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> IT IS ALL MY FAULT
11-24-2009 00:29 <Jeff> thanks pepper
11-24-2009 00:29 <Inner Stickler> NO ONE IS SAYING IT'S YOUR FAULT.
11-24-2009 00:30 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Are you happy now?
11-24-2009 00:30 <Vox Imperatoris> pepper, Myrna did not start the thing. She shouldn't have called names, but still.
11-24-2009 00:30 <Myrnalene> pepper I swear to god if you act like I am defending Exy I am going to think you have gone retarded
11-24-2009 00:31 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Hey guise, let's keep it going another hour. I THINK WE CAN DO IT!
11-24-2009 00:31 <Gumby> 5er! thatnk you for holding. For waiting so patiently you will find a small token of appreciation in your inbox
11-24-2009 00:31 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> I AM SURE WE CAN
11-24-2009 00:31 <pepperlandgirl> Myrna, you have selected words that you meant as insults 4 times. Which is about 3 more times after I told you to stop.
11-24-2009 00:31 <Inner Stickler> It takes two to tango sleeps.
11-24-2009 00:31 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Jeff, get invested
11-24-2009 00:32 <pepperlandgirl> So drop it. The conversation is over. I am sure that if you drop it, Sleeps will as well.
11-24-2009 00:32 <Sleeps w/Butterflies> Sticks, I've really had enough of your advice for tonight. Thanks
11-24-2009 00:32 <Jeff> don't be a polyanna sticks
11-24-2009 00:34 <pepperlandgirl> Now since that conversation is over, who would like to start a new one?
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I was there the whole time this was going on, and there wasn't really anything to speak of other than what we've already mentioned.
Meticulously scanning through the archives, this is the only other thing I can find:
ETA: What pepperlandgirl just posted is the Sleeps fight.<Myrnalene>
not parties, just me. because it's ok to fight with people here in chat but god help you if you call them a bitch. is that in the rules by the way? Actions View Sarahfeena's profile View all chats of SarahfeenaOriginally posted by pepperlandgirl
11-24-2009 10:51 <Sarahfeena> It's not OK to fight with people in chat. So...please stop right now. Actions View pepperlandgirl's profile View all chats of pepperlandgirl
11-24-2009 10:51 <pepperlandgirl> It's in the rules not to personally insult people, and you might not have liked what Sleeps had to say, but you certainly didn't need to call her a bitch or a cunt.
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I'd also like to add that neither Myrna's or Exy's punishments were considered in isolation. This is part of an ongoing pattern of behavior from both of them, and that was definitely discussed as well.
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Thanks Pep, as I said I only scanned through fast. I guess I would have booted both of them.
So do you REALLY think that this will change anything? They destroyed Dumbo and are happily going about destroying Mellophant. This is what you want to draw new members? I've been wondering if they had some special dispensation the whole time they were posting their shit. Granted, I was a lurker back at Dumbo but the reason (besides the getting deleted thing) that i refrained from registering here was because of those two doucheholes. Please make the caging/bannings permanent.
FWIW, I told the Zuul that I accepted and deserved the suspension for the comments about Ely. I don't need or deserve any defense for that, although I appreciate the thought. This stuff with Sleeps is crap, though.
Dude. DUDE. You just posted the chat log. I don't care that people were talking about Exy or the "issue" that he was a giant dick. I took issue with the fact that Sleeps went after me, totally unprovoked. I quoted the statements where she did that three times, and Vox and Sticks agreed with me.
No. I didn't. This is also in the chat log you just posted. I said, AGAIN that I was defending myself, not Exy from Sleeps, to which you replied "there's no rules against Sleeps, or anybody, discussing the fact that exy was an obnoxious jerk tonight" which was such a non sequitur that I really wondered whether you had simply not read the 5,000 times I had said I was not defending him, or if you had lost your damn mind. So I said: "pepper I swear to god if you act like I am defending Exy I am going to think you have gone retarded " Do you STILL think the problem I had with Sleeps was that she was mean to Exy? From your comments here, it seems you do. I don't know what else to do but laugh, honestly.And then she called me a retard when I told her to drop it.
Sleeps wasn't just "talking about the issue", she was fighting, hard. With me, with Vox, and with Sticks and yes I fought back. Frankly, if you would have bounced both of us, I would have understood. I thought that was what's supposed to happen when there is a fight. But you let it go on, and on, and only told me to stop because oh no I said a bad word? Whatthefuckever.
The entire exchange consisted of Sleeps screeching at me that Exy said this this this this this and I must think that's ok, me telling her NO it's not, she ignoring that and continuing to harp that I was defending him despite all the evidence right in front of her face to the contrary. It's fucking surreal, actually. Me flat out saying "he's an asshole, he was wrong, he was indefensible" apparently wasn't enough to get the point across. If anyone else has any ideas on what might, let me know. Please.
also lol o no I called her featherlou. I guess that's really, truly, the lowest anyone can go to insult another person.
Zuul, I will happily take a chat ban and/or caging if it will make everybody feel all warm and fuzzy inside. From what I was understanding from Pepper, she didn't mind that we were having a heated discussion, she only wanted personal insults to stop. My apologies to Pepper if I misunderstood and she felt I was going against her authority. I meant her no disrespect, I was just fed up with the horrific treatment of Ely.
Just let me know which or both or how long.
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Sleeps my love, I'm so lost. When did all of this hating start on you, Ely, and Jeff?
Your interpretation is correct Sleeps. Both of you were welcome to continue with the conversation, but the personal insults were not acceptable. I thought asking for the personal insults to stop twice was enough, but apparently, it's perfectly all right to ignore a mod right up until you're banned (otherwise, I'm certain Myrna would have stopped after the second insult instead of implying that I should have booted both of them to make her stop).
Sorry, pepper. I wasn't aware that a fight "discussion" that would never have been allowed before was suddenly OK. That's what I meant by bouncing us both. Because that is what has happened every single time a mod has been in chat and there has been anything close to that level of vitriol before, and you know it and every mod here knows it. I honestly was not aware that you were making some kind of special exception.I'm certain Myrna would have stopped after the second insult instead of implying that I should have booted both of them to make her stop.
Nrblex, my sweet, I have no idea when it actually started in his brain but it blew up with Exy ::consults snackpit:: about a month ago.
(I'll try to shorten it up, but it's in the chat archives if you ever feel like reading something stupid)
Exy was drunk one night (I know it's hard to believe, but you'll have to take my word on it) and a smiley was posted in chat. Jeff said something about it looking stupid and Exy took offense because he helped work on it (?) so he started calling Jeff ugly and made some comment just as I was coming into chat saying that maybe I was desperate enough to want him.
Not realizing that Exy is actually insane, I thought he was kidding so I joked at him and said something dumb like "O please when was the last time you got laid?" and made a joke about his prostate exams (which he made jokes about all the time).
This apparently made him go batshit and he started telling me that I was old, ugly, used up, always looking for validation from men, a barfly, etc etc etc. It was high comedy. Having not been in a bar for a bit I offered him cash for each instance he could cite from the archives of me saying things about bars to, you know, back up his accusations but he failed to do so. You know, his usual drunken stupidity. Everyone in chat at the time told him to shut up and that he was stupid, but our little soldier kept going strong.
So I realized he was serious about what he as saying and not joking so I explained to him that he was a blackout drunk who would probably die and we'd get an RIP thread for him after his landlord found his cats snacking on his face. Or something that stupid. I think I insulted his job, too. It was all pretty stupid.
:: rests for a minute, I am old after all ::
The next day I find out that Exy is actually angry at me about something else entirely (out of respect for his privacy I will not go into here) but for some reason chose never to bring that subject up to me to clear up the obvious misunderstanding and thinks that it is I who owes him an apology. Through his personal ombudsman I stated that although he was incorrect about his perception, I was sorry that his feelings were hurt but I would not apologize for him acting like a drunken fucktard over a smiley in chat. Since then I am public enemy #2 (behind McNutty, of course)
He has tried to bait me on several occasions in chat and I've ignored his cute little games. Some of those are still in the archives some of them he cowardly edited away. I didn't chat about him, but he liked to talk about me whenever the opportunity arose. Apparently, he likes to keep it all going.
I can only assume (because who can know for sure) that Ely and Jeff are targets because they have the audacity, like me, to be friendly to McNutty instead of hating his guts for fighting with Myrna/Exy.
And that, love, is all I can guess for you.
No need. I just read what you and your retarded, drunken "friend" post and then post accordingly.
I just want to clarify that I mean the vitriol on both sides. I know I was fighting. I did not know that chat policy had suddenly changed to allow anything up to but not including insults (helpful comments like "o go post some pictures, Vox" for instance). I seriously wondered why pepper was coming down on me but not on Sleeps for a "discussion" that would have landed us both in hot water on any other day. I didn't get the memo on chat being the new SDMB GD, I guess.
Users who are suspended are still able to send and receive PMs and have access to user functions on the site such as search.
I effectively cannot receive or send PMs, by the way.
Don't make me make pepper pull out the motherfucking pandas.
I don't think so, therefore I'm probably not.
McNutty, thank God I didn't follow your whole saga. I don't know what you did and what you didn't do, except for the things you admitted. Yet here you are just being dishonest. Things like this stupid little false dichotomy hurt your credibility. You know full well that nothing you have been accused of requires extraordinary experience or skill, just a healthy dose of assholishness.
Could you please explain how that is supposed to make any sense?You should be a detective. Hey, by the way, Seven mentioned to me last night that your GB account got compromised as well, and he verified (to me and others) that he knows it wasn't me. Maybe he can help you with some clues so you can stop flailing in my direction.
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