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    Understood, and thanks, SG!

    A featured article on the Wiki homepage today; this is the great-grandfather and namesake of the actor who played Commodore Decker on ST:TOS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Windom
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    Interesting, how funny. How did you come across him? In looking at the actor's bio, I see his first film role was as the prosecution in To Kill a Mockingbird. That's one helluva credit to have for a debut!

    Wasn't Will Riker originally called Decker at some point in the TNG planning stages? The name sounds familiar to me, and I don't think it's from the TOS episode since, um, I'm not sure I've seen it.

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    I just saw the article on the Wiki homepage about the original Windom and recognized the name, then clicked around and found out they were related. I'd never heard of the historic older Windom before.

    Roddenberry definitely had a thing for hard-K sounds for his heroes: Kirk, Spock, Scotty, McCoy, Decker, Picard, Riker, etc. Riker was a lot like Decker the younger, who appeared in ST:TMP and was confirmed by GR in his novelization of the movie to be the Commodore's son, although that was never actually stated on-screen. Both were young, ambitious, good-looking WASPy male Starfleet officers who served as First Officer of the Enterprise. Both had life-changing affairs with alien women which didn't end well, and both ended up later serving with those women on the Enterprise, rekindling their relationships despite some initial awkwardness.

    For more:

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Matt_Decker
    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Will_Decker

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    Oh that's what I must've been remembering. His name was even Will too! Oy, I see he was played by Stephen Collins. That's... unfortunate.

    Did this so-called lifeform that Will D., Ilia probe and V'ger formed ever get referenced again? Seems like an enemy just waiting to happen. Okay, did some research to answer my question and apparently it wasn't, at least on any of the TV shows. That's a surprisingly large plot hole and missed opportunity. IMHO of course. But then I'm a total continuity whore and love as a writer bringing up threads from past incidents or character traits to add depth to the present. What do you think, should or could this have been something worthwhile to explore?

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    I think it was discussed by the VGR production crew, who wondered if perhaps Janeway & Co. might bump into the Decker/Ilia/V'ger fused lifeform somewhere out there in the Delta Quadrant on their long journey, and it might have been an interesting episode had they done so. (I like those kind of character revisits, too, now and then, where appropriate and not too farfetched or contrived). Of course, it all depends on how well it was handled, and unfortunately with VGR the ratio of crap:gold was pretty high IMHO.

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    Sorry, missed this response! Yes, good point as far as how likely VGR would've screwed it up, and, odds were pretty good (esp. post-S2, when IIRC Michael Piller resigned and the show's quality sank even further). Oh crap, I just checked Wikipedia and discovered he passed away 15 years ago. That's horrible, I didn't know he was ill. Such a talented man. He's pretty much responsible for the depth of the Trekverse, isn't he. Along with a few others, but AFAIK Piller was integral in developing the characters more fully, esp. after Roddenberry died. I can't believe I didn't look him up before to see what he was up to post-VGR.

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    Yes, he made a remarkable contribution to ST in his time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Piller

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    "One of our Science officers TBD," indeed! Onn knows perfectly well who'll be going over to the Ain't She with Graham.

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    Oh yeah, she's totally lying.

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    Quote Originally posted by choie View post
    Oh yeah, she's totally lying.
    LOL. There's a surveillance video of former DC mayor Marion Berry getting busted where in the moment he shouts "B*tch set me up!"

    Came to mind...

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    And he got reelected, so it's all good. :: rolleyes ::

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    If anyone would like their own print of Washington and the French general Rochambeau conferring at Yorktown: https://shop.amrevmuseum.org/yorktow...t-11-x-14.html

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    ^ Ooh that's lovely. Thanks!

    Meanwhile, now that Nia's done her job, I'm just gonna pull up a lawn chair and enjoy the Graham/Rangin show. Don't disappoint me, boys!

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    Graham has a phaser-2 (from his earlier patrol duties) and a communicator, while Rangin has a phaser-1, communicator and tricorder, is that right?

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    Quote Originally posted by Elendil's Heir View post
    Graham has a phaser-2 (from his earlier patrol duties) and a communicator, while Rangin has a phaser-1, communicator and tricorder, is that right?
    That makes sense to me.

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    Waitasec, is Graham already married to Marala? He just mentally called her his wife, not his fiancee.

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    I think - emphasize think - that I dropped the ball on writing or contributing to some retrospective scenes between "now" and the end of the last mission that would encompass the marriage that would have bee published already.

    But - in any event - for Graham, making the commitment is pretty much it...even if the ceremony hadn't occurred yet, in his mind, he's in, she's his wife. [Not a contrived cover legit Grahamian pscyhology.]

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    general, you are clearly the resident expert on legit Grahamian psychology.

    To be clear: they're not married yet, and we will all have the fun of writing about the ceremony.

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    Ah got it, thanks guys! Yes, that will be a fun ceremony. For most.

    (I've lost track... does Marala even know about Graham/Nia? Because if not, she should totally ask Nia to be her maid of honor. HA!)

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    Quote Originally posted by Elendil's Heir View post
    Graham has a phaser-2 (from his earlier patrol duties) and a communicator, while Rangin has a phaser-1, communicator and tricorder, is that right?
    Yes thank you EH, I'm happy with what you've suggested for Rangin to be carrying, I don't think there is need for anything more.

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    Thanks, Rangin.

    choie, no, I don't think Marala knows about Graham/Nia. I don't remember him mentioning it to her. But perhaps general remembers otherwise...?

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    That would've been an awkward conversation if it did happen! Rangin finding out about the partner swap should be enjoyably awkward too. Lots of grist for the mill.

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    I think its right that Graham has not talked to Marala about Nia - I have thought about it, but have not published

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    Can't wait to read it!

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    C'mon y'all, you know Graham would want to show love and respect to Nia and have her be involved in his wedding and, also, too, be hopelessly effed-up and conflicted about that....

    Working on it...

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    Quote Originally posted by Rangin View post
    Quote Originally posted by Elendil's Heir View post
    Graham has a phaser-2 (from his earlier patrol duties) and a communicator, while Rangin has a phaser-1, communicator and tricorder, is that right?
    Yes thank you EH, I'm happy with what you've suggested for Rangin to be carrying, I don't think there is need for anything more.
    Wait - did I forget to write the part about Rangin having a leaky jar of Denebian Slime Devil bait in his pocket????

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    I knew there was something else. Work with me here, guys...!

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    Fun trivia: the ladies have been off-screen for a month (Nia) and six weeks (Kylah). As an audience member I was hoping for some real guy-on-guy action, so to speak. Graham should at least throw a sucker punch at Rangin, for pete's sake.

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    Heh. Feel free to write more about the ladies back aboard the Yorktown. It could even be flashback scenes, if you like.

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    Thanks! I can't really think of an option for either of 'em. Well, there's one obvious flashback subject for Nia, but it requires Graham's input and I don't think general_urko has time. It'll keep.

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    Quote Originally posted by choie View post
    Thanks! I can't really think of an option for either of 'em. Well, there's one obvious flashback subject for Nia, but it requires Graham's input and I don't think general_urko has time. It'll keep.
    Gaaaah...I can make some time. (Not beating myself up for dropping the ball - was more or less necessary. But things are better now and should be thru the rest of August!)

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    Oh I know you must be crazy busy, I didn't intend any slight, general. Everyone has a lot on their plate these days. (Except for me, heh, but freelancing is always a crapshoot.)

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    Quote Originally posted by choie View post
    Oh I know you must be crazy busy, I didn't intend any slight, general. Everyone has a lot on their plate these days. (Except for me, heh, but freelancing is always a crapshoot.)
    No slight taken whatsoever...there is an ebb and flow, and it was a good reminder to get back in the saddle when things permit, and these days they do in fact now permit!

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    :: steeples fingers ::

    Excellent.

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    Quote Originally posted by general_urko View post
    "I'd prefer to stay close to my...new family," he replies tightly and evenly--and a little low, as if that might shield Nia from being reminded of his recent, abrupt marriage..
    Whoa, whoa... I thought Graham and Marala weren't married yet, and the nuptials still lie ahead of us. Am I totally mixed up re: the timeline?

    Just checked EH post above, #5218:

    Quote Originally posted by Elendil's Heir View post
    general, you are clearly the resident expert on legit Grahamian psychology.

    To be clear: they're not married yet, and we will all have the fun of writing about the ceremony.
    Maybe a quick edit, just to change 'marriage' to 'engagement', general, if this is still the case?

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    Good catch, choie, and thanks. Leave it to me.

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    I know we don't do dice rolls as such, but the RPG across the street inspires me to ask: Can I have a Perception check on whether Nia can hear any of the Graham/Rangin discussion?

    (Actually, she's having this discussion over the Captain's chair comm speaker, right? So would the others on the Bridge be able to hear some of this, assuming they were listening? That would be extra cringe-worthy.)

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    Good question, SidGa, and you are correct. Clarified in the game thread.

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    I'm off for my annual Civil War roundtable fall field trip with friends (our first since COVID hit), this time to the battlefield at Chickamauga, Ga. I may not be able to post again until Monday.

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    Safe travels, EH. And good eye, SG.

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    Hey I know I've been touch and go lately, I am very happy to report I'm taking next week off, so don't feel bad about reminding me (for example) about any balls I've dropped and things to write to move the story forward. Thanks for your patience, folks.

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    But of course. I was away for most of the weekend again, as it happens.

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    ... Whilst I stayed at home, like the lazeabout I am. Glad to have you both back, woohoo!

    We absolutely need Nia to be around one time when Marala calls Graham "Boojee." This is a thing that must happen.

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    Yes. Yes, it must.

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    Quote Originally posted by choie View post
    We absolutely need Nia to be around one time when Marala calls Graham "Boojee." This is a thing that must happen.

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    Quote Originally posted by general_urko View post
    Quote Originally posted by choie View post
    We absolutely need Nia to be around one time when Marala calls Graham "Boojee." This is a thing that must happen.
    ...Ideally during the wedding vows. (Assuming Nia's invited. I can almost imagine Graham not inviting her out of perceived sensitivity and consideration, though it would likely only hurt/anger/embarrass her more.)

    (Wow I still can't spell "embarrass" right on the first try. And I edit/proofread for a living. How embara shameful.)

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    I'm going to move things along a bit. Please post whatever you wish your character to do in the current situation, and then anything else by 2pm EST Wednesday, and then I'm going to shift us forward to the Graham/Marala wedding. Thanks!

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    Oh hallelujah, yay, you're back! I was beginning to get worried. Cool about moving ahead to what's no doubt going to be quite a joyous event for everyone.

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    Hey, GM sir, protocol question. For this momentous occasion, are the crew supposed to be wearing their dress uniforms? Not sure whether the ceremony is considered officially Starfleet or civilian. (Guess it's a mixed marriage, ha ha.)

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    Good question, choie. Your character may wear either Starfleet dress uniform, regular duty uniform or civilian clothing, as you wish. We sometimes saw a mix of each on formal occasions on TOS.

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